File talk:VX2 (Gundam).jpg

per the uploader, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gundam_Mk-II&action=history " 16:44, 1 December 2007 Mythsearcher (Talk | contribs) (19,650 bytes) (In order to have a fair use rational, the resolution is reduced so the hand-written text on the right of the Gundam art cannot be read. It says the inspiration of the Gundam there.) - it seems odd to claim that the image is "critical in identifying the claim in the article" when we have to take the uploader's statement that the image in fact identifies the claim in the article.GundamsRus 19:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A simple verifying method is to find the magazine, I don't personally think it is critical, but there might be people who will doubt the source if no picture is shown. MythSearcher^talk 09:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the magazine article itself will show the answer, but it does not seem to be a valid point in justifying the use of the copyright image if this image as used cannot validate the comment.GundamsRus (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the magazine itself is pretty much impossible to get hold of now, so at least the image should be shown to show the relationship of the car and the mobile suit, the image can at least show the car designer himself has enough level of interest in drawing a Gundam next to a car. MythSearcher^talk 15:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The claim for using a copyright image under fair use that "The image helps in identifying the claim in the article, to prove that it is true and valid" is unsupportable logicly if the part of the image itself that actually verifies the cliam is too blurry to read. It is saying

The picture prooves my claim but the picture is too blurry for you to read what it says so you need to believe that I say that the blurry part prooves my claim.

At which point the _picture_ is NOT providing support/proof for the claim. The picture is just a copyright picture.GundamsRus (talk) 22:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, your point is that we only use the magazine issue number as ref, and forget about the picture? MythSearcher^talk 03:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that we should remove: The image helps in identifying the claim in the article, to prove that it is true and valid. from the Fair Use Rationale, because such claim is inaccurate and unsupportable.207.69.137.41 (talk) 18:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC) GundamsRus[reply]

Changed. MythSearcher^talk 01:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!GundamsRus (talk) 19:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]