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This article does not appear to be entirely neutral.[edit]

"The total area occupied by Canadian salmon farms in British Columbia and the Bay of Fundy in New Brunswick is about 8,900 acreas which is less than 0.01% of the coastal area where these sites are located." This quotation majorly underscores some of the fundamental underlying problems behind aquaculture. Granted, the farms themselves may be small in size, but their effects can be great.

"Wild Pacific and Atlantic salmon stocks have seen significant declines over the last several decades, before salmon farming operations started." This quotation suggests that aquaculture has fixed any issues of a declining fishery. This is not true, and this kind of inneuendo should not be found in a neutral article.

While the article does explain some of the major problems with aquacultures in the final paragraph, it does little justice to the major problems facing the aquaculture industry. Escaped fish and water pollution are but some of the few problems that plague the industry; consequently, these problems deserve to be explored further within the Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.201.146 (talk) 00:42, 22 January 2005 (UTC)[reply]

However, if the Wiki does go into more detail about the industry problems, it could force the discussion to look at the original scientific literature and would expose some of this literature as being anti-aquaculture "advocacy science". There are a lot of broad claims of problems that seem to evaporate on closer examination. 72.67.40.148 03:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
--INDEED, Aquaculture like any technology is a mixed blessing, it has caused as many problems as it has solved. Look below, and take the time to read the article by Kinsey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishculturefanatic (talk • contribs) 00:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to clean up the critisms section. I can't provide any extra links at the moment but many of these have been previously reported on British TV, with proof. eg. they filmed 'dead areas' underneath the fish pens, salmon caught in the deep sea with serious parasite infection ( caught when they passed by the fish farms ) etcDavid J James 6 September 2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.j.james (talk • contribs) 11:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

question for aquaculturalists[edit]

What do you call a female fish filled with roe (or, how do you describe such a condition)? She isn't pregnant, since the eggs have not yet been impregnated ... Could someone answer on my talk page? Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 23:07, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cross posted to User_talk:Slrubenstein
Re:question for aquaculturalists
Hi there, I just stumbled across your question on talk:fish farming and talk:aquaculture. When full of eggs, female salmon are gravid. I don't know if anyone beat me to it, and if it's still any use to you now, but thought I'd leave you a note. Anilocra 21:37, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Question on names[edit]

It seems like names of fish are often changed for marketing purposes, but I have a problem with the liberal use of "catfish" by many different fish. One in particular is basa from Vietnam. As I understand it, the two fish are not closely related. In the classification system used by scientists, U. S. farm-raised catfish differ from basa to the same degree as house cats differ from beef cattle within the grouping of mammals. It seems like they are simply trying to capitalize on the name with an imposter fish. I know in the U.S., the government had to ban use of the name "catfish" for basa and tra from Vietnam because of the confusion it caused among consumers. I don't mind renaming a fish for marketing purposes when it is a new name, but when you are calling one fish another fish that people are familiar with, I do have a problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.14.50 (talk) 15:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answer on names: The scientific class of fish called "catfish" includes basa along with channel catfish and many other species of catfish. It is not like the difference between cats and cows. The scientists still consider basa (closely related to or the same as some of the "catfish" you buy in pet shops for your aquarium) a catfish, but the political power of the US catfish industry has dictated that the scientific name is not valid and only US channel catfish or blue catfish/channel catfish hybrids are "catfish". Looking in my local asian market, basa is higher priced than channel cats -- so much for the law. Deweaver 03:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

The last external link seems to be a purely commercial link. Is this sort of link allowable, I know this link has been removed before! Como006 14:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Open-Ocean Aquaculture[edit]

I am hoping that someone could start a section on Open-Ocean Aquaculture (OOA). It has been called the future of fish farming. It consists of a large floating cage that is anchored in the open ocean. Jotogo 14:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OCA is currently used to fatten up Tuna that are caught too young to sell in the eastern Mediterrean. IMHO if you cannot catch old enough Tuna to sell you are overfishing. In any case it does not remove one of the major problems : you are still feeding the farmed fish on caught wild fish. David J.James 6 September 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.j.james (talk • contribs) 11:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Removing young animals from the wild and then fattening them up in a cage does not alleviate pressure on wild stocks. Not only are numbers of wild animals still being reduced, but by removing only young animals the wild breeding stock is reduced as the younger animals may well not have reached breeding age before capture, and removing an animal that is still at early breeding age prevents it from breeding again in the future... therefore reducing the breeding stock and preventing replenishment of the resource. aslan83 11/4/07 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslan83 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More Technical Information[edit]

I am interested in learning more of the technical aspects of aquaculture, less so the political, environmental or historical aspects. It would be great if someone knowledgeable in this field could expand on what is actually involved in farm raising fish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.65.66.193 (talk) 12:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a really important subject that has been poorly done here. You might start by reading Darin Kinsey's "'Seeding the Water as the Earth': Epicenter and Peripheries of an Aquacultural Revolution" in Environmental History (July, 2006)which gives a good overview of the history of aquaculture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishculturefanatic (talk • contribs) 00:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've got a copy of "Seafarm: The Story of Aquaculture," and am considering doing a long paper on legal issues involving aquaculture, so I will probably work on this article soon. From what I understand so far, this is a technology that has existed in some form for many centuries and can/should become a major industry for the West, but which faces regulatory hurdles. --Kris Schnee 17:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV-section[edit]

I went through the criticism section's references and have found several of the sites to be what I would consider an unreliable source of information. Using an animal rights site on a subject such as this is just as bad as using the corporate site of a fish farming company as a source. I am afraid to bother putting the time and effort into finding better sources for this information: such as scholarly or PUBLISHED sources. I will however do it if I can get some consensus on how many people agree with my opinion that an animal rights website is a biased source. James g2 23:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • I will add that I did find some of the criticism section to be very well sourced. My only problem is with the use of some "animal rights" sites that do not cite any studies or provide any evidence that what they are saying is true. James g2 23:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to see someone who checks references. The Env. NGO's (ENGO's) have a highly variable report quality and often misquote research papers. However, I found an very good report by WWF on Salmon Diets using a URL from a publication. The report did mention that fish meal is not required for salmon feed, just need the correct proteins and fatty acids. Some of the aquaculture criticism's do reference reports in respected journals, but I think a lot of these "good" publications have some metholodical problems but they are often buried deep in implicit assumptions. Deweaver 02:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC

Be careful with neutrality[edit]

Some of the suggested neutrality changes simply shift the view from a rosy view of aquaculture, to a negative view of aquaculture. It is important to discuss the pros and cons; not only one side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.115.176.51 (talk) 15:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proper reference format[edit]

The references on this page are not properly cited. Does anyone here want to hammer it out? --Eikenhein 21:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merging with the fish farming article[edit]

I agree that this article should be merged with the fish farming article. I think the "Criticism" and "Environmentally Friendly Methods" in particular seem to be addressing almost exclusively fish farming. I will move those sections, but I do think that aquaculture can remain as an overview of the 'water organisms cultivation' topic. Mahograin 18:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So if I understand you correctly, you want to retain Fish farming and Aquaculture as separate articles, but transfer the "Criticism" and "Environmentally friendly methods" sections from Aquaculture to Fish farming? SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is correct. In general I think that the different articles on topics that fall under the umbrella of Aquaculture (Mariculture, Fish farming, etcetera) aren't organized as well as they could be - that issues they address overlap and/or have information gaps. I see this move as a first step, and I wanted to see what other people thought as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahograin (talk • contribs) 21:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You know, it just might work! Could make Aquaculture the "parent" article for a lot of aquaculture-related articles, such as the others. Add a "forms" section and a few {{main}} tags, and it would actually look quite good. I imagine a structure similar to that of Washington Metro, which serves as a main article for a lot of smaller pages. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at it all, I've come up with something of a list of things to get paragraphs and ((tl|main}} tags: Fish farming, mariculture, shrimp farming, and freshwater prawn farming. Put that under a big "types" header, perhaps. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abalone farming links here, but there is hardly any mention of the farming of anything except shrimp and fish. What about crabs, abalones and other shellfish, and kelp and other seaweeds? I think the fish farming article should be kept separate, with a smaller section here that links to it. This article should be reorganized and written with a more general view of aquaculture. Unfortunatly, I don't have the expertise to do it. --lk 19:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articulture is the study of organisms under the ocean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3xgiants (talk • contribs) 00:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History section[edit]

Somehow the history section here seems to have been hyjacked by supporters of Dildo Island, Newfoundland. Does anyone really support the assertion that the first, largest, and most advanced fish hatchery in North America was the hatchery built in 1889 on Dildo Island, Newfoundland? Prior to that, hatcheries existed in Cold Springs Pond, NH, Troutdale Farm, AK, Willow Brook, MN, Caledonia, NY, and Plymouth, MA, as well as state hatcheries in Nevada and Nebraska. US Fisheries Commission hatcheries were in operation at Duluth, Leadville, Northville, Wyetheville, and Neosho. (ref: Bulletin of the United States Fish Commission Vol XIV for 1894. US Government Printing Office 1895. pp 295.) Note: I could provide dozens more references. I would like to remove the claims which ignore the extensive North American involvement in aquaculture. Are there any reasons why the false claims should be left? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drembody (talk • contribs) 22:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lacking section on farming shellfish[edit]

Oyster and pearl farming are mentioned in the intro, but there is no mention of them in the text. Also, no mention at all of abalone farming. lk (talk) 16:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that. I was surprised to find while looking things up today that this article had no mention of clam gardens MetaGrrrl (talk) 20:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2009 review[edit]

Noticed this news article. The BioScience article isn't online yet. II | (t - c) 00:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most ecologic[edit]

perhaps a small comparisment of the aquaculture techniques can be made. Mariculture should be noted as more ecologic than traditional sweet water fish farming, yet probably (almost) equal to multi trophic aquaculture see http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1902751,00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.79.192 (talk) 16:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bluehouse farms[edit]

At Aquaculture#Integrated, the combination of aquaculture-greenhouses have not been noted. Allready is ie Tilapia fish grown together with tomatoes (bad tomatoes, ... provide food to fish, nutrified water is reused for tomatoes). They are called "bluehouse farms" and are frequently used ie in the Netherlands. refs http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/ista/ISTA8/Chappell.pdf , http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/aquaponic.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.223.239 (talk) 07:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See also Dennis McClung's garden pool, this appearantly uses a similar system that recycles chicken feces into duckweed which is then eaten by Tilapia fish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.146.50 (talk) 08:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Repopulating rivers[edit]

A small-scale fish hatchery with baffle box

Not sure whether suitable here (as the fish produced is not intented for eating, only to repopulate a river with indiginous fish species) 91.182.235.144 (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aquaculture on board of a ship[edit]

This has been proposed by Innovatie Netwerk, see http://www.innovatienetwerk.org/sitemanager/downloadattachment.php?id=r7d_HjV0IvAKdhEySW5cr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genetics4good (talk • contribs) 13:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of sandworm farming ?[edit]

Why has the entries about sandworm farming, and the image been removed ? It seems to be a vital missing link for creating a sustainable system. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aquaculture&oldid=463834173 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.17.192 (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Intro[edit]

The intro has been changed, it previously read:

"Aquaculture, also known as aquafarming, is the farming of aquatic organisms such as fish, crustaceans, molluscs and aquatic plants.[1][2] It is often done for the purpose of human consumption or as feed for other animals. It is sometimes also done in the intrest of environmental rehabilitation and/or conservation of endangered species.[3] Aquaculture involves cultivating freshwater and saltwater populations under controlled conditions, and can be contrasted with commercial fishing, which is the harvesting of wild fish.[4] Mariculture refers to aquaculture practiced in marine environments."

The "purposes" of aquaculture has thus not been described in the article. Reintregrate the info; one organisation that conserves endangered species using aquaculture is the Instituut voor Natuur en Bosonderzoek (INBO) located at Linkebeek, Belgium. The manual which is used by most ex-situ aquaculture projects around central Europe (Traité de Pisciculture) btw came from Marcel Huet and perfected his manual there. 91.182.214.223 (talk) 07:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Environmental Impact of Aquaculture
  2. ^ Aquaculture’s growth continuing: improved management techniques can reduce environmental effects of the practice.(UPDATE).” Resource: Engineering & Technology for a Sustainable World 16.5 (2009): 20-22. Gale Expanded Academic ASAP. Web. 1 October 2009. <http://find.galegroup.com/‌gtx/‌start.do?prodId=EAIM.>.
  3. ^ In and ex-situ aquaculture for environmental rehabilitation
  4. ^ American Heritage Definition of Aquaculture

crocodile farming[edit]

Should crocodile farming be included as they spent time in water and on land? --41.151.92.217 (talk) 13:50, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Buying "sea"[edit]

Perhaps it may seem trivial, but shouldn't it be mentioned that aquaculture at sea is in some ways cheaper than farming on land, as the "sea" one grows his aquatic animals or seaweed on doesn't need to be bought, and as far as I understand can't even be bought. Even if one buys the land on shore, the rights to the sea in front of it (up to 12 miles I believe) still maintains part of the state.

KVDP (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography for Research Project on Article[edit]

I will be compiling research on the subject of Aquaculture to make a more complete article on this subject. Here are the sources that I will be using.

"Bibliography"

Naylor, Rosamond, Susan Williams, and Donald Strong. "Aquaculture - A Gateway for Exotic Species."Science Compass. no. NOV (2001): 1655-1656. http://faculty.wwu.edu/~shulld/ESCI 432/Sci2001-Aqu-Invasives.pdf (accessed February 25, 2014).

Goldburg, Rebecca, Matthew Sterling Elliott, and Rosamond Naylor. Marine aquaculture in the United States: environmental impacts and policy options. Arlington, Virginia: Pew Oceans Commission, 2001. http://www.iatp.org/files/Marine_Aquaculture_in_the_United_States_Enviro.htm (accessed February 25, 2014).

Bardach, John E., John H. Ryther, and William O. McLarney. Aquaculture. The farming and husbandry of freshwater and marine organisms. John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1972.

Chopin, T., Buschmann, A. H., Halling, C., Troell, M., Kautsky, N., Neori, A., Kraemer, G. P., Zertuche-González, J. A., Yarish, C. and Neefus, C. (2001), INTEGRATING SEAWEEDS INTO MARINE AQUACULTURE SYSTEMS: A KEY TOWARD SUSTAINABILITY. Journal of Phycology, 37: 975–986. doi: 10.1046/j.1529-8817.2001.01137.x

Ostrowski, A.C. "Current Status of Marine Finfish Larviculture in the United States." Aquaculture. no. 1-2 (2001): 89-109. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0044-8486(01)00695-0 (accessed February 25, 2014).

Rosamond, Naylor, Rebecca Goldburg, Jurgenne Primavera, Nils Kautsky, Malcolm Beveridge, Jason Clay, Carl Folke, and Jane Lubchenco. "Effect of Aquaculture on World Fish Supplies." Nature. no. June (2000): 1017-1024. doi:10.1038/35016500 (accessed February 25, 2014).

DeVoe, M. Richard. "Marine aquaculture in the United States: Current and future policy and management challenges." Trends and future challenges for US National ocean and coastal policy. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Silver Spring, MD (1999): 85-93.

Halpern, Benjamin, Shaun Walbridge, and Kimberly Selkoe. "A Global Map of Human Impact on Marine Ecosystems." Science. no. 5865 (2008): 948-952. 10.1126/science.1149345 (accessed February 25, 2014).

CJCstudent (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

review[edit]

I had a good time looking into this article as it is something that interest me more personally. First of i want to say the lead section is very detailed and gives the reader a clear outline as to what exactly aquaculture is and what it includes and does not include. There are a few areas here where when I am reading i want to check the validity of the source. “through diseases such as smallpox and diphtheria, that like most infectious diseases, move to humans from animals. No human pathogens of comparable virulence have yet emerged from marine species.” this needs a source to validate the statement. The overall tone of the article seems good however there could possibly be room for adding a section on the quality of the fish that is produced for consumption. How does this affect the health of humans eating the fish that are grown in controlled areas is there cause for concern with any health risk? Under genetically modified there are other species that have been genetically modified as well such as tilapia. The issues towards the end of the article start to look one sided and could be added to another section that looks at what is positive about the system. Other than that a very good article.SwMcPeek (talk) 11:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stephan Ludwig Jacobi[edit]

In first half of 18th century German Stephan Ludwig Jacobi experimented with external fertilization of brown trouts and salmons. He wrote an article "Von der künstlichen Erzeugung der Forellen und Lachse". 88.70.219.205 (talk) 16:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutrality and Citations[edit]

In the "Improving Welfare" section, the phrase, "The key to improving welfare" makes the following paragraph sound like the only option that is available to improving welfare. This makes it sound not as neutral.

In the "History" section, the third paragraph stating that the Japanese cultivated seaweed does not seem to have a source cited for that information.

Also, in the "Issues" section, the first sentence's structure and grammar seem to be slightly off. The phrase, "...can result in more environmental damaging than..." can be rephrased as "can result in more environmental damage than." The second part of the sentence, "on a per kg on a global scale" also sounds off. Hopefully this can be rephrased as well for added clarity.

Seyuun (talk) 06:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FIFO values may be inaccurate[edit]

At present the article cites Tacon and Metian for fish-in-fish-out values. Aside from being a bit outdated, the accuracy of their figures is in serious dispute. See article for some explanation. See also this source for some more recent figures. Yes, I know the industry data will have bias, but it appears to me their numbers are more reliable and their methodology more defensible than Tacon and Metian. I am not an expert and would like someone with more familiarity with the overall literature to take a look at this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.127.217.82 (talk) 03:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FAO illustration[edit]

@User:DanSD19 Regarding illustration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaculture#/media/File:World_capture_fisheries_and_aquaculture_production_by_species_group.svg the aquaculture data are no longer identified in this diagram. The older one https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aquaculture&oldid=989512468#/media/File:Global_total_fish_harvest.svg was so much better albeit without the species groupings. Now I have found a new one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishery#/media/File:Global_capture_fisheries_and_aquaculture_production,_1990-2030.svg Can we use this one instead do you think? Regards ASRASR (talk) 12:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:DanSD19, the ping from a year ago wasn't set up correctly, so I am pinging you again. EMsmile (talk) 12:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi User:EMsmile, thanks for flagging. I see the three diagrams are available in the aquaculture page. Can they coexist in the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanSD19 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello User:DanSD19. Yes they can coexist. I was hoping we could add this one as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishery#/media/File:Global_capture_fisheries_and_aquaculture_production,_1990-2030.svg Wanted to check with you first since you are expert at FAO. We are working on about 150 articles relevant to SDGs 6, 13 and 14. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/SDGs/Communication_of_environment_SDGs. The aquaculture article is one of them. If there is more in the article that needs updating or improving it would be great if you could manage this. Looking forward to hearing more from you. Regards ASRASR (talk) 13:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The newer FAO graphic comparing annual aquaculture and capture fisheries tonnage which spans to 2030 was added to replace the old one which spanned only to 2010. ASRASR (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good, so no further action needed on this graphic. EMsmile (talk) 10:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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