Talk:Igor Kurchatov

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Request for assistance[edit]

I think I've destubbified this article, but I could use some assistance from folks with a better grasp of russian language and geography. In particular:

  1. have I correctly characterised the location (and spelling) of Arzamas?
  2. if someone could render his name into cyrillic, I'd be grateful
  3. what was his middle name (whateverovitch)?
  4. is this the correct (and only) transliteration into latin characters of his name
  5. could someone check the transliteration of other russian names linked here, particularly those for which there aren't current wikipedia articles
  6. is there a page on ru.wikipedia to which we could interwiki
  7. can someone properly characterise where he was born ([1] says "Simskii Zavod in the southern Urals")

Thanks -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 18:42, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

References[edit]

I suggest that David Holloway's "Stalin and the Bomb: The Soviet Union and Atomic Energy, 1939-1956" should be added to the references' list.

Request for translation[edit]

I see there's a page on the DE: wikipedia, which seems to have some of the info above, and some other stuff. My German isn't good enough to translate it - could someone who does read better German than I take a look at their version. I see it has his middle name and birthplace, but they've transliterated both in the ru->de not ru->en way. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:49, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Simski Zavod ?[edit]

I guess Simski Zavod means an industrial settlement NEAR the actual place (city ?) of SIM in the Chelyabinsk region Best regards, WernerE 16.2.05

No, it's the same city. Before 1942 it was a settlement called Simsky zavod which grew to the city and was renamed to Sim on November 13 1942. [2] Cmapm 18:17, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Prenunciation?[edit]

How is his last name(Kurchatov) Prenunced? --Pingo 11:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

with emphasis on the CHA. "kur-CHA-tov". sounds like you're sneezing. I pronounced it wrongly (the american emphasis on the TOV way) until a few months ago when I first heard a russian pronounce it. --Deglr6328 02:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some editing notes[edit]

I just went through and did a bit of copyediting on this, and some of it seems like it was translated out of another language and might need to be partially rewritten.

Also, I've changed the Cyrillic rendering of Kurchatov's name in the intro from italics to bold, as it's easier to read (and slightly more correct, since it is an alternative name for the same topic).

This article looks good in general, but it could use some rewriting in some places from someone who knows the topic better.--T. S. Rice 08:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a copyvio, incidentally[edit]

Note that Atomic Archive's article is a ripoff of the Wikipedia article and not the other way around as their false copyright message might suggest. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture[edit]

Does anyone know if he is the character mentioned in one of the begining series of Atomic Robo, from Nuklearpower.com? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.37.76 (talk) 11:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship[edit]

In the early 1990s it was widely reported in the Russian press and other publications that Kurchatov was gay. Unfortunately some editors have problems with this fact, and try to censor it away. It seems that homosexuality is still not acceptable and seens as a stain on the biography of Kurchatov. Readers beware! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirilovski (talk • contribs) 18:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't be in the lead sentence. I've never, ever seen sexual orientation put in the lead sentence, or even really the first paragraph unless that is what they are most known for, like in the case of Harvey Milk. Zazaban (talk) 18:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that seems fair. Indeed he is far more wellknown for his excellent contributions to atomic physics. Kirilovski (talk) 19:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am removing the reference to "Biography of I.V. Kurchatov by Semyon Golosov": there are no traces of this source in either English or Russian. If this is a book, please provide some identifying information, like its publisher and the ISBN. Gay or no gay, but "it was widely reported in the Russian press and other publications" is not specific enough.68.148.115.210 (talk) 09:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thats how Wikipedia works. Someone introduces a poorly sourced factoid (or a hoax?) into an article, it stays there for months or years, then an ip knowing something about the subject matter points it out and removes it and is then reverted by editors who have no clue about the subject matter. This is now the third time Benjiboi re-introduces wrong information in the article. Sigh. Pantherskin (talk) 04:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of bad faith. In previous deletions it was simply removed without explanation. No one suggested it was false or a hoax in any way, at all. So knock off the bad faith accusations and simply state this is disputed and you believe the source provided is non-existent. Then it is up to those who wish to refute your claims with sourcing. Removing sourced content about people's LGBT status is a common occurence on Wikipedia and I had no reason to believe this wasn't simply another case of that. -- Banjeboi 18:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see. Ip adds a citation tag with the edit summary "Removed reference to "Bio of Kurchatov by Semyon Golosov": there are no traces of this source in either English or Russian. If this is a book, pls provide publisher/ISBN" and states his concerns on the talk page [3]. Another editor then removes the section with the edit summary "blanked gay section until reliable sources are provided" [4]. Another editor adds it, and then it is removed again with the edit summary "m poorly sourced homosexual comment (see WP:BLP))". Then Benjiboi steps in and repeatedly reintroduces the hoax into the article and claims that no one suggested it was false or a hoax. Oh well. I guess there is no need to assume bad faith if in the end it all boils down to complete cluelessness combined with paranoia about homophobia on Wikipedia. The encyclopedia anyone can edit indeed. Pantherskin (talk) 19:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the mythologized version. I restored it after it was removed "rm poorly sourced homosexual comment (see WP:BLP)" because ... he's dead so BLP wouldn't apply. The other rvts I did were blanking of content with no explanation. Looking through all the various edits I see there was some concern but really they should have been posted to the talkpage and you still assumed bad faith to at least two editors here. Let's see if the content can be sourced properly to end the issues. -- Banjeboi 20:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. So you were aware that it was poorly sourced, and still you restored it. Despite a note on the talk page. Despite multiple edits that made it clear that the sourcing was completely inadequate. Next time think before you edit please. Factual accuracy and sourcing are not optional. Pantherskin (talk) 05:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, no and no. Instead of casting bad faith you could try to see why someone made a mistake. Instead you presume I would purposefully introduce a hoax - that's completely unhelpful, untrue and incredibly insulting. -- Banjeboi 23:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Benjiboi, discussion closed. To summarize, the source does not exist - there is no trace, not even in the catalogue of the Russian National Library. Almost certainly a hoax, but well, that is Wikipedia the encyclopedia anyone can edit. Pantherskin (talk) 04:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It really isn't and the approach of closing discussion seems to suggest conflict instead of consensus. There is no reason to dismiss this as "certainly a hoax" when instead we should simply look to see if there is any merit to the source or content presented. If the cited source is not available or likely doesn't exist then are there any reliable sources that do support the content? As that is the real issue. Is this content verifiable? If it is, where is it? If not then we can't include it. But we should try to determine what is presently available and go from there. In this way we make a good faith effort and future editors can see our work. -- Banjeboi 19:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you for real? Pantherskin (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar[edit]

The article says "From 1940 onward, Kurchatov worked and contributed advancing the nuclear weapons program, and later advocated for the peaceful development of nuclear technology." This appears to be bad grammar to me. Is there a comma missing? I think this should read: "From 1940 onward, Kurchatov worked and contributed towards the advancing nuclear weapons program and later advocated for the peaceful development of nuclear technology."194.176.105.135 (talk) 13:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Mistakes in Timing of Disaster[edit]

In the death section, there is a sentence stating "In January 1949, Kurchatov was involved in a serious radiation accident which became a catastrophe at Chelyabinsk-40." Catastrophe links to the Kyshtym Disaster article, however, the disaster linked in the article occurred in 1957, three years after the death of Kurchatov and eight years after the supposed 1949 radiation disaster. I believe this is either a linking error or a phrasing error. I am not an expert on the topic, so I am not comfortable making edits myself. 134.117.249.166 (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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