Talk:Genetic studies on Moroccans

Eb1b1b and J

You need to make correction in this, Eb1b1b is not in 90% of population and hadlgroup J is in more then 40% of moroccan population, so stop putting false figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.138.234.193 (talk) 23:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Eb1b1b and J

/* Haplogroup distributions in Moroccan Populations */ The Sector chart is totally wrong: because it is based on a single selective choice for every haplogroup, rather than the average value for all data combined, and because it take the maximum value for E1b1b, and the minimum value for all other hablogroups and because it combine and hide in Eb1b1b two major haplogroups E-M81 and E-M78 rather than displaying each of them Agile Falcon (talk) 17:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

/* Haplogroup distributions in Moroccan Populations */

Moroccan Y-DNA Haplogroups Chart has been updated based on the Moroccan Y-DNA Haplogroups Table Agile Falcon (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

To the unknown user 41.137.74.196

@ unregistred user 41.137.74.196 > The Ahmed Reguig et al. 2014 study is alredy in the Y-DNA Haplogroups Table

But are you sure that you read this study from Ahmed Reguig ? Here what the study say : In this work, we have analyzed a total of 295 unrelated Berber-speaking men from the northern, center and southern of Morocco They talk about berber-speaking men! not all the moroccan population So please go back and look at the 2004 General population census in Morocco in the official HCP site The Berber-speaking population constitutes only 28% of the total population of Morocco So the study involved only a sample from that 28% of the berber-speaking part of the morroccan population

In the page 19 from the Ahmed Reguig et al. 2014 study, you can see that the haplogroup E1b1b1b-M81 constitute only 23% to 33% in the Moroccan-Arabs population Look at the Table 3: Geographical distribution of E1b1b1b-M81 haplogroup in the world Moroccan Arabs(N=44)[A] 23% Moroccan Arabs(N=49)[C] 33%

Are you convinced now since those figures comes from your own posted study ?

@ unregistred user 41.137.74.196

You should keep in mind that all the study on berber-speaking populations constitute only 28% of the total moroccan population

> The Ahmed Reguig et al. 2014 study is alredy in the Y-DNA Haplogroups Table

But are you sure that you read this study from Ahmed Reguig ? Here what the study say : In this work, we have analyzed a total of 295 unrelated Berber-speaking men from the northern, center and southern of Morocco They talk about berber-speaking men! not all the moroccan population So please go back and look at the 2004 General population census in Morocco in the official HCP site The Berber-speaking population constitutes only 28% of the total population of Morocco So the study involved only a sample from that 28% of the berber-speaking part of the morroccan population

In the page 19 from the Ahmed Reguig et al. 2014 study, you can see that the haplogroup E1b1b1b-M81 constitute only 23% to 33% in the Moroccan-Arabs population

Look at the Table 3: Geographical distribution of E1b1b1b-M81 haplogroup in the world Moroccan

Arabs(N=44)[A] 23%

Moroccan Arabs(N=49)[C] 33%

Are you convinced now since those figures comes from your own posted study ?

Agile Falcon (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

stop using wrong data references

stop posting middle eastern/italian genetic studies on some selected samples declared by semino and Pierre zalloua , aboukhalid and el fahdalaoui ! these studies are not representative for any moroccan group nor moroccans berbers or jews or arabized berbers.

look at ahmed reguigu et al 2014 study (the most largest study on moroccan population) from 80% to 99% of M81 . reducing frequecnies of E3b VS J haplogroup is a big manipulation to make a country partially arab is completly stupid !

pls don't use middle eastern/Italian studies. we dont know even from where the samples are taken from?!

Agile falcon ! stop trolling

Semino et al. 2004, This study tells us that E-M78 in Moroccan Arabs (42.9%) is higher than the E-M81 (32.6%), or we know that NorthWest Africans, especially Moroccans show few people who this haplogroup (E-M78) and in average don't exceed 10%.

This study accompanied with Cruciani et al. 2004 are the only ones that show so high percentage, and the use only few sample. (19 for Semino et al; 54 for Cruciani et al.).

Modern studies (Fregel et al. 2009, Aboukhalid et al. 2010 and Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013) using a quite high samples number (from 87 to 221) showed a quite moderat level of repartition of this haplogroup from inexistant to 6.8%.

Yassine Habbari = Agile falcon, stop using wrong data references

stop posting middle eastern/italian genetic studies on some selected samples declared by semino and Pierre zalloua , aboukhalid and el fahdalaoui ! these studies are not representative for any moroccan group nor moroccans berbers or jews or arabized berbers.

look at ahmed reguigu et al 2014 study (the most largest study on moroccan population) from 80% to 99% of M81 . reducing frequecnies of E3b VS J haplogroup is a big manipulation to make a country partially arab is completly stupid !

pls don't use middle eastern/Italian studies. we dont know even from where the samples are taken from?!

E1b1b1b-M81 constitute only 23% to 33%

E-M81 only 23% to 33% no way, the sample used were few, Ahmed reguigu have cited Semino and Cruciani studies with basal data from bosh et el 2001 and from an unknown location, and also the sample was few, you can just see the samples with more than 100people, it's more than 75% in Moroccan Arabs and Berbers, I invite you to see the Eupedia with agregate samples more than 1500 from different studies and the total is 83% E3b.

Moroccan Census does not represent the ethnic groups of Morocco, arabized berbers are looked for arabs and they're new comers in the arab regions from modern berber regions .(see rural exode in the end of the 20th century).

manipulated Scientific studies cannot be accepted

E-M81 only 23% to 33% no way, the sample used were few, Ahmed reguigu have cited Semino and Cruciani studies with basal data from bosh et el 2001 and from an unknown location, and also the sample was few, you can just see the samples with more than 100people, it's more than 75% in Moroccan Arabs and Berbers, I invite you to see the Eupedia with agregate samples more than 1500 from different studies and the total is 83% E3b.

Moroccan Census does not represent the ethnic groups of Morocco, arabized berbers are looked for arabs and they're new comers in the arab regions from modern berber regions .(see rural exode in the end of the 20th century).

Yassine Habbari

mal mouk s3arti had Nhar??? chadak L7ala ???

din mok , kan chra7o lik o makatfhmch ??? wakun ghir knt J1 n9olo jat m3ak walakin rak dima panarabsist yahra9 mok dima retard bhal dima

Please stop edit-warring

immediately Agile Falcon and Calssico. You will be BLOCKED from Wikipedia if you continue. I will alert other editors to take a look at this article. Also, please remember to sign your talk page comments and do not remove comments made by others. Iselilja (talk) 02:09, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I have alerted Wikiproject Genetics. Please wait for someone from that project to comment. It may take some time, but just step away from this article for a time and then come back again to see what other editors say and have a discussion with them. Thank you. Iselilja (talk) 02:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Calssico had removed cited data

@ Iselilja Sorry about that but Calssico had removed scientific data from all those scientists : Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013

Onofri et al. 2008

Francalacci et al. 2008

Bosch et al. 2001

Bosch et al. 2001

Fregel et al. 2009

Cruciani et al. 2004

Cruciani et al. 2007

agile falcon use wrong data for the wrong populations

@agile falcon I have always proved my arguments, these studies are based on bosh et al 2001 with unknow sources there is many contradictions , you should be honest on this you try so hard to modified this article for your own arabian agendas I have created this article 'moroccan genetics' after looking at several studies , only the most accurate must be exposed here.

Agile Falcon (talk) 02:15, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

agile falcon use wrong data for the wrong populations

he does not accept our arguments ! and you see .. he keep trolling over the time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calssico (talk • contribs)

I will ask some other editors to look at this. But first 'you need to stop reverting each other. Don't edit-war even if you know you are right. Otherwise, both of you will be blocked. So, don't revert anything more now, but wait and see what other editors will say. Iselilja (talk) 02:19, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

@ Iselilja

will, if you look right now , he keep posting data from other articles from wikipedia suggesting his modifications for scientific studies , he does not even read the data ifself ! pls do something ! now he keep trolling with his version

Calssico had removed cited data from scientific studies

@ Iselilja All those data are from scientific studies who are internationally recognized

Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013 | Genome-Wide and Paternal Diversity Reveal a Recent Origin of Human Populations in North Africa

Aboukhalid et al. 2010 | Y Chromosomal SNP Analysis Using the Minisequencing Strategy in a Moroccan Population Samples

Onofri et al. 2008 | Y-chromosome markers distribution in Northern Africa: High-resolution SNP and STR analysis in Tunisia and Morocco populations

Francalacci et al. 2008 | History and geography of human Y-chromosome in Europe: a SNP perspective

Cruciani et al. 2004 | Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa.

Cruciani et al. 2007 | Tracing Past Human Male Movements in Northern/Eastern Africa and Western Eurasia: New Clues from Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups E-M78 and J-M12.

Semino et al (2004) | "Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area".

Fregel et al. 2009 | Demographic history of Canary Islands male gene-pool: replacement of native lineages by European.

Agile Falcon (talk) 02:43, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

@Agil falcon your copy and Past the titles of some Genetic studies without Looking at the Data that's called Trolling

There is a big Lack of Data in these studies. they're mostly based on the study of bosh et al 2001 using his Basal Data ! you have exposed his frequencies of Haplotypes for several times from the same source (bosh et al 2001), and you have completly ignored the Limited and selected samples in each study! that's called manipulation...

Here the proof for each one

@ Iselilja

Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013 in Genome-Wide and Paternal Diversity Reveal a Recent Origin of Human Populations in North Africa

Here the link to the study in US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842387/

so Calssico is saying that the US National Library of Medicine is lying !!!!

Agile Falcon (talk) 03:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Outside help for disputes

I think we need help from outside to settle this dispute. Wikipedia has various ways to solve disputes, but you have to recognize that it may take some time. If you continue to editwar you will not be able to take part in the discussion, because you will be blocked out of Wikipedia. I am sorry I don't know about genetics to be of big help right now. Be patient and step away for some time; eventually someone will help sorting this out and any errors in the article will be corrected. You don't win the dispute in the long run by reverting. Iselilja (talk) 03:06, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

@ Iselilja okay thanks i apreciate your fairness

Here the second proof from :

Semino et al (2004) | "Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area".

Here the link in US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181965/

in Table 2 : Population Frequencies of Hg J and Its Subclades

you can find in J haplogroup : Arab Morocco : 20.4%

This the data that Calssico want to remove !!!

Here the direct link to the table 2, just clic on Table 2 to see the data : Arab Morocco : 20.4% :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181965/#!po=15.6250

I just want all the wikipedia contributers to see that : Calssico is saying that all those scientists are wrong !!!, and that the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health is lyiing on us !!!

Agile Falcon (talk) 03:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013 is a tunisian arabocentrist and he work together with pierre zalloua in this study ! pierre zalloua is known for it's sandalous genetic search of J2 Haplogroup claimed for Phoenician DNA. the data used in Fadhlaoui-Zid study is from pierre zalloua et al 2008 and 2004 et al.

here is the main authors of this paper :

Karima Fadhlaoui-Zid,#1,2 Marc Haber,#1,3 Begoña Martínez-Cruz,1 Pierre Zalloua,3 Amel Benammar Elgaaied,2 and David Comas1,*

the samples are with unknown source of origins and not opend for the public. J Haplogroup can not reach at 30% in Morocco ! that's scientifically Impossible , from pierre zalloua's and fahdaloui's zid collegue El-Sibai 2009 , J haplogroup can not reach more than 1.6% in Morocco !

so we have contradictions from the same sources ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calssico (talk • contribs)

• Here the third proof from :

Onofri et al. 2008 | Y-chromosome markers distribution in Northern Africa: High-resolution SNP and STR analysis in Tunisia and Morocco populations

You can find the Study here

http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768%2808%2900205-9/abstract

and here http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875176808002059

You can check the data on page 2 in Table 1 :

Haplogroups and frequency distribution in the populations examined in this study

In Morocco column you can find the value 20% for the haplogroup J

This is the data that Calssico want to remove !!!

Agile Falcon (talk) 03:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

• @Agile falcon : the data of Semino et al 2004 is from Basal data of Bosh et al 2001

again ! read pls my first remark for your lovely cherry picking studies ? Ok? cuz they're mostly based on the study of bosh et al 2001 using his Basal Data ! you have exposed his frequencies of Haplotypes for several times from the same source (bosh et al 2001) just like semino for example, and you have completly ignored the Limited and selected samples in each study! so that's called manipulation your point is reducing the frequencies of E3b VS J haplogroup. it's because you believe that arab moroccans are arabs in fact they'rnt and secondly J haplogroup is Not arab after all. and all your cited studies are based by bosh et al 2001 for the italian authors and pierre zaloua data for the arabian ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calssico (talk • contribs)

• @ Iselilja & all contributers on genetic pages on wikipedia

Again just keep in mind that Calssico says that all those scientists and all this scientific institutes are wrong and are liars !!

Calssico want to remove all this scientific contents !!! wich is the basic for all the wikipedia pages on Genetic sciences !!!

He think that he has the right to erase them all, just because it that not fit with his vision of ethnicity !!!

Just ask the other contributers on genetics pages who rely on all this scientists like semino what they think ?

Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013 | Genome-Wide and Paternal Diversity Reveal a Recent Origin of Human Populations in North Africa

Aboukhalid et al. 2010 | Y Chromosomal SNP Analysis Using the Minisequencing Strategy in a Moroccan Population Samples

Onofri et al. 2008 | Y-chromosome markers distribution in Northern Africa: High-resolution SNP and STR analysis in Tunisia and Morocco populations

Francalacci et al. 2008 | History and geography of human Y-chromosome in Europe: a SNP perspective

Cruciani et al. 2004 | Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa.

Cruciani et al. 2007 | Tracing Past Human Male Movements in Northern/Eastern Africa and Western Eurasia: New Clues from Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups E-M78 and J-M12.

Semino et al (2004) | "Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area".

Agile Falcon (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

• @Agile falcon : read the studies pls !

you keep posting the links and titles of many studies without learning the details !! what's wrong with you?

in Onofri et al. 2008 | the moroccan samples are only 19? and they're immigrants while the study declared that :

YHRD there are 246 Tunisian samples and 0 Moroccans !!!

in the table :

there is 19 samples referenced for all Moroccans guess what unknown Immigrants in Italy?! with atypical haplogroups with such crazy frequencies :

R1 10.5% G 26.3 % J-p209 31.5% Em 35 21.1 % and 0% for M81 !!!

those would be Turks or albanians immigrants in italy !! there is something wrong here the Y dna structure is more similar to turks or southern Balkanites

turksih Y dna:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome(in_20_haplogroups).png

not eihter natural for maghrebians and completly wrong for Moroccans.

you should be a crazy if you post this bullshits here ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calssico (talk • contribs)

• NOTE: I removed some headlines because there were too many. Not every comment needs its own headline. Also, please don't accuse each other of lying, bullshit, crazyness etc. Civility is also part of Wikipedia's policies. Many things to learn. I will make sure that someone competent evaluate this discussion and article. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 03:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

@ Iselilja i agree with you

But someone here say that all those scientist are liars and must be removed !!

Here an other proof from :

Bosch et al. 2001, High-resolution analysis of humanY-chromosome variation shows a sharp discontinuity and limited gene flow between Northwestern Africa and the IberianPeninsula.

here the link in US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health :

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1275654/

Just clic on Table 1 and you will find the value for haplogroups J and E-M81 Group III are haplogroup E and Group VI are haplogroup J

Agile Falcon (talk) 03:56, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

@ Iselilja

just an other proof from :

Fregel et al. 2009, Demographic history of Canary Islands male gene-pool: replacement of native lineages by European.

here the link to the study in Biomed Central

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/9/181

an other link :

http://www.oalib.com/paper/226546#.VGbRGMnZeSo

@ Calssico

this time is for you Calssico

Here the direct link to the 2004 General Population Census in Morocco

So you can find the exact value of the berber-speakers population in Morocco, which is 28%

http://www.hcp.ma/Recensement-general-de-la-population-et-de-l-habitat-2004_a633.html

Just clic on "social" and you will find all data

LANGUES PARLEES Population 5 ans et plus | 26.755.605 | 100% Arabe dialectal | 24.036.041 | 89,8% Tashlhit | 3.894.805 | 14,6% Tamazight | 2.343.937 | 8,8% Tarifit | 1.270.986 | 4,8% Hsaynia | 194.742 | 0,7%

the sum of all values for berber-speakers are 28% of the moroccan population

this is the official government data in Morocco

Here again the link to Population Census result on wikipedia :

2004 General Population Census in Morocco : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Morocco

and you can find that the berber-speakers are only 28% of all population

Are you convinced now that the Y-DNA values for the berber-speakers concern only 28% of the population ?

Request to Iselilja & Mfield

I totally agree on the Administrators decision to protect the article from disruptive changes made by unregistered users.

• I just want the administrator to protect also the talk page as well from disruptive changes from unregistred users.
• And to remind every contributor that he must sign his post in talk page to prevent confusions, so we can know who say what.

• I also want to remind you that the user Calssico had removed my earlier posts on talk page, you can check them in history on 17:56, 9 November 2014 and 19:40, 9 November 2014

• 19:40, 9 November 2014‎ Agile Falcon (talk | contribs)‎ . . (1,450 bytes) (+257)‎ . . (→‎Eb1b1b and J)
• 17:56, 9 November 2014‎ Agile Falcon (talk | contribs)‎ . . (1,193 bytes) (+548)‎ . . (→‎Eb1b1b and J)

• So i restaure them to have the correct discussion chronology.

• Calssico was used to make changes on the article page without being logged in (only with his IPs), he also post on talk page without signing his post, which create confusions on both pages.

• Calssico in his intervention dated on (01:25, 15 November 2014‎ Calssico) has insulted me in arabic, so is there any Arabic-Speakers amongst Administrators who can check this ?

• 01:25, 15 November 2014‎ Calssico (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,246 bytes) (+207)‎ . . (→‎Yassine Habbari: new section)

• He also treated scientists with disrespect and used the word "bullchit" to qualify scientific studies from international institutes and universities on genetic sciences.

• If someone disagree with some scientific facts, he can try to expose the opposite view on the article without deleting and removing sourced info with scientific content, so we can have a consensus view or an average value based on all the opposite data.

• Otherwise we can seek Dispute resolution, as Iselilja says, or even request page protection.

Best regards

Agile Falcon (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Update on Y-DNA Haplogroups Table

More accurate data from Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013 | Genome-Wide and Paternal Diversity Reveal a Recent Origin of Human Populations in North Africa

• Published on US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842387/

• Data are from Table S4 | Y-chromosome haplogroups and haplotypes in individuals from Libya and Morocco.
• The direct link to the xsl file in the same page:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842387/bin/pone.0080293.s008.xls

(You should click on Table S4b Morocco on the xsl file)

Table S4b: Y-chromosome haplogroups and haplotypes in 87 unrelated individuals from Morocco

Haplogroup	Frequency	Pourcentage
E-M22	8	9.2%
E-M78	5	5.7%
E-M81	47	52.8%
J	23	26.4%
Other	5	5.7%

E-M22 are a subclade of E-V38

E-V65 are a subclade of E-M78

E-M107 are a subclade of E-M81

J-M267 & J-M172 are a subclades of J-P209

Quote from the article :

Subjects and Comparative Datasets

We have genotyped 302 unrelated males belonging to the general population of Libya (215) and Central Morocco (87). Genealogical information of the donors was recorded for a minimum of two generations to ascertain their paternal ancestry. All samples were procured with informed consent following the ethical guidelines specified by the Institutional Review Board of the Comitè Ètic d'Investigació Clínica-Institut Municipal d'Assistència Sanitària (CEIC-IMAS) in Barcelona, Spain.

And here the update on the Y-DNA Haplogroup Table

Population	n	A/B	E-M33	E-V38	E-M35*	E-M78	E-M81	E-M123	G	J-P209	R1	Reference
Morocco	87	—	—	9.2	—	5.7	52.8	—	—	26.4	—	Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013

Agile Falcon (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Update on Y-DNA Table from Onofri et al. 2008

Onofri et al. 2008 | Y-chromosome markers distribution in Northern Africa: High-resolution SNP and STR analysis in Tunisia and Morocco populations

• Direct link to the study : http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768%2808%2900205-9/pdf

Haplogroup	Frequency	Pourcentage
B	2	4%
E-M96	3	6%
E-M35*	3	6%
E-M78	3	6%
E-M81	28	55%
J1	10	20%
R1	2	4%

• Quote from the study :

DNA from peripheral blood of 51 Moroccan and 52 Tunisian healthy male donors were extracted by using the Maxwell 16 System Instrument (Promega, Madison, WI, USA) and typed by 17 microsatellite extended haplotype and 41 Y-SNPs.

Y-STRs were amplified according to the manufacturer (AmpFlSTR Yfiler TM PCR Amplification Kit, Applied Biosystems).

Agile Falcon (talk) 22:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Data from Underhill et al. 2000

• Underhill et al. 2000 | Y chromosome sequence variation and the history of human populations

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11062480

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v26/n3/full/ng1100_358.html

• Direct link to the PDF file

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/12263420_Y_chromosome_sequence_variation_and_the_history_of_human_populations

Data are from page 360 : Table 1 • Distribution of Y-chromosome haplotypes by geographic population group

Former name	Haplogroup	Frequency	Pourcentage
H22	E-V38	2	7.1%
H35	E-M78	1	3.6%
H38	E-M81	1	3.6%
H50	I	1	3.6%
H58	J2	3	10.7%
H71	J1	14	50%
H88	K	1	3.6%
H104	R1	5	17.9%

Agile Falcon (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Linguistic facts on DNA Samples

Since the DNA Samples are either unrelated (All Moroccans) or linguistically related (Berber-speakers or Arab-Speakers)

It's worth saying to remember the linguistic fact about Moroccan population from the High Commission for Planning in Morocco | official government site : http://www.hcp.ma

• Here the direct link to the 2004 Population Census in HCP Site

http://www.hcp.ma/Recensement-general-de-la-population-et-de-l-habitat-2004_a633.html

You should click on "Social" to have the linguistic statistics

You can donwload it by clicking on "Exportation on excel"

• You will find that the Arab-speakers (Arab dialectal) represent : 89,8%
• The berber-speakers (Tashlhit + Tamazight + Tarifit) represent : 28.2%
• Some 18% of them are bilingual (Arab-speakers + berber-speakers), so (89.8 + 28.2) - 18 = 100%

• Which means that the DNA samples related to the berber-speakers concerne only 28.2% of the entire population
• While the DNA samples related to the Arab-speaker concerne 89.8% of the entire population

Here the official figures from HCP

Language	Population	Pourcentage
Moroccan Arabic	24 036 041	89,8%
Tashlhit	3 894 805	14,6%
Tamazight	2 343 937	8,8%
Tarifit	1 270 986	4,8%
Hsaynia	194 742	0,7%

Hsaynia is an arabic dialect in south Morocco

Agile Falcon (talk) 14:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2014

Atlawiki (talk) 22:57, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Stickee (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Continuous disruptive changes

This article is continuously subject of a disruptive changes made by the same member with the same IP series without any explanation Agile Falcon (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. If anyone actually agrees with the edit the IP is making, let me know? I think I'm reverting vandalism, not edit warring, but it's hard to tell sometimes...

It's always been the same IP range. Sometimes they were Calssico, back in 2014. Pinkbeast (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Agile Falcon and User:Pinkbeast, please take a look at the recent additions of User:שמואל יצחק יעקב to the Morocco page. Is this the work of the same person? Cobblet (talk) 22:44, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. If they have a user account, why not make the changes here? The semi-protection doesn't prevent that. It has some of the same material in, but none of the "scientific racism" from Septimus Coon which is what so clearly made the 47.x edits bogus here. I see Doug Weller has eyes on it. However, since they have not introduced the Coon material, I think you may have to analyse the changes and the references in more detail. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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I've restored Soupforone's edits for 2 basic reasons. WP:NOETHNICGALLEIES and the fact that text added to the article from which this was formed was added in 2011[1] while I can find it in a blog in 2008[2] and even there it's copied from elsewhere. 12:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs)

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