Talk:Mountain View Fire

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Requested move 10 February 2021[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. The lone objection has been withdrawn. BD2412 T 19:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain View fire → Mountain View Fire – Proper name of fire https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/7270/ 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 14:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LightningComplexFire: Or is the "F" to be treated as stylization? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Anthony Appleyard, What do you mean? 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@LightningComplexFire: Is capitalizing the "F" of "Fire" to be treated as stylization and "importance capitalization"? Or does every large fire need a proper-name? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Anthony Appleyard, It's the proper name 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @LightningComplexFire and Ivanvector: Less than 2 months ago at 19:40, 20 November 2020‎ User:Ivanvector moved Mountain View Fire to Mountain View fire (and their talk pages), i.e. the same move reversed, and pleaded MOS:CAPS. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:35, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  Anthony Appleyard, https://mountainviewfire.monocounty.ca.gov/ https://www.mvfpd.org/ https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-100-displaced-after-mountain-view-fire-ravages-eastern-sierra-town/ https://www.kunr.org/post/updates-mountain-view-fire-mono-county http://www.oesnews.com/tag/mountain-view-fire/ Lots of sources that do capitalize the F in Fire 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 13:31, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/11/18/update-one-dead-as-mountain-view-fire-grows-to-over-28000-acres-wind-concerns-remain-in-reno-fire/ https://www.ktvn.com/story/42926056/fire-in-walker-canyon-in-mono-county-closes-us395 https://www.mammothtimes.com/content/mountain-view-fire-moves-recovery-mode https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1385183/victim-of-the-mountain-view-fire-in-walker-identified.html are more examples 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 17:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  The only source that uses "Mountain View fire" instead of "Fire" was an LATimes article, but it's 10 sources to 1 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 17:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ per MOS:CAPS. I see no reason why we should go against the MOS on this one. P-K3 (talk) 12:47, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pawnkingthree, How are we going against MOS:CAPS? MOS:CAPS clearly says In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence. Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia, which means the following: A, Mountain View Fire is a proper noun, and B, the media and other sources always capitalize the F in "Fire" 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 15:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a proper noun. It is a fire that was given the name Mountain View. Therefore, it's the Mountain View fire. It doesn't matter what capitalization the media use, we have our own style guide which says not to capitalize in such cases.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pawnkingthree, All the other articles have capital F's except the complexes, and you probably didn't read that green text 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 17:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pawnkingthree, Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 17:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pawnkingthree, Sorry I'm late, but what I was saying is that you said "It doesn't matter what capitalization the media use, we have our own style guide which says not to capitalize in such cases", but MOS:CAPS clearly said "Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia", so we aren't violating Manual of Style. 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, it seems I was mistaken on this one, I'll withdraw my objection. P-K3 (talk) 20:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:WILDFIRE-NAME: "Fire capitalized when it is part of a proper name", as it is here. TJRC (talk) 21:06, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also note the article was named correctly to begin with, and was moved to the incorrect lower-case name without discussion or consensus; see history. In good-faith, to be sure, but nonetheless in error. TJRC (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (only, or "neutral") - I moved the page because I was under the impression that this was a fire that occurred in Mountain View, California, rather than an event referred to as the "Mountain View Fire". Reliable sources don't seem to be consistent on capitalizing "Fire", so I'm not sure, but please don't interpret my move as authoritative. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 00:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ivanvector, Actually, sources do capitalize the F. See my replies to AA a few lines above in this thread 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 21:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.