Talk:Neo Da Matrix

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On 7 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Neo da Matrix to Neo Da Matrix. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was moved. Looks like they were duplicate articles at one point, and someone merged them at the wrong location. I'll make the move and do a histmerge. --BDD (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neo da Matrix (producer) → Neo da Matrix – Completely unnecessary dab. QuasyBoy (talk) 17:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 7 December 2023[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 21:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neo da Matrix → Neo Da Matrix – Capitalization of "Da" is consistently seen on album credits and in secondary sources, for instance Billboard magazine.[1][2] Binksternet (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Da" is a sensationalist spelling of "the", which we do not capitalize in proper names. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. A very similar prior RM discussion is recorded at Talk:4 Da Gang#Requested move 26 October 2022. That ended with no consensus. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Right! The lack of consensus resulted in the keeping of the capitalized "Da". Binksternet (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that MOS:THEMUSIC makes room for odd spellings, allowing the artist's stylization to stay in caps. Examples given include Megan Thee Stallion staying capitalized, and Tha Dogg Pound keeping the capitalization even in running prose. The guideline lists "thee", "tha" and "da" as exceptions which are capitalized according to artist style and media usage. Binksternet (talk) 01:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, perhaps you should have started with that. Support per MOS:THEMUSIC, which explicitly states "da" and other stylized forms may be capitalized. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bensci54: I can't agree with this, why was it moved? Definite and indefinite articles are not capitalised per MOS:CAPS, and despite the novel spelling da is still a definite article in this case. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Amakuru Late reply, but this is per WP:THEMUSIC Bensci54 (talk) 12:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bensci54: thanks for the response and happy new year. But what about MOS:THEMUSIC? It says to lowercase articles as we would anywhere else, except for exceptions such as The Beatles album. I'm not clear what clause is being invoked here, and more particularly why it's overriding all other site wide guidelines to move a long term stable title such as this one. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:THEMUSIC and WP:THEMUSIC redirect to the same place. It says to generally not capitalize the, but makes an exception for "stylized forms such as thee, tha and da", and it gives the example of Megan Thee Stallion. This is not an expression of a personal opinion about the matter – I'm just reporting what it says. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]