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HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE.[edit]

Hispanic is not a race, see the articles Hispanic and Latino Americans, Hispanic, Latino, Mexican American, and Latin Americans for more info. The Pasadena, California article hinted that Hispanic was a race. You know what? When I see misinformation on this website, I actually like to fix it. The US census itself does not recognize Hispanic or Latino (or their origins, like Mexican, Cuban, etc.) as races. Please stop reverting my edits, they are only meant to better the article.--76.95.192.150 (talk) 01:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, please see my response on my talk page. BurtAlert (talk) 02:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I added it back in before I saw your response BurtAlert (but I sourced it, as someone had asked). Anyways, I think saying that someone can be white and Hispanic is more redundant than saying Hispanic/Latino isn't a race because the latter statement is more general and all-encompassing, the former statement only tells that some can be white and Hispanic (it doesn't coevr blacks, Amerindians, mixed race people like mestizos, etc.).--76.95.192.150 (talk) 02:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The language of these demographic sections is pretty much standard across articles about US places. Will Beback talk 02:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is a race?

Also, the page needs citations. Tortillas fritas4life (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena, CA 91109[edit]

In many places, the JPL address is listed as: 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena, CA 91109. However, from map of Pasadena that address is just outside the boundary. Not to mention that the shape of Pasadena looks worse than many of the Gerrymander maps currently in the news. Many places, large and small, have their postal city and zip code based on the post office that delivers the mail, and not necessarily their actual city. As well as I know it, historically JPL was within Pasadena, though I don't know which one moved. Gah4 (talk) 06:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Jet Propulsion Lab actually predates the City of La Canada Flintridge; the very first buildings were on the outer edge of Pasadena, with later expansion into what was then unincorporated county land. In the modern day, those original buildings no longer exist and the Pasadena portion of JPL is pretty much just the front of the parking lot. All of the current facilities lie within the borders of La Canada Flintridge; however, JPL has chosen to retain its original Pasadena mailing address and generally refers to itself as being in Pasadena, especially since its parent university is in Pasadena. DesiArcy (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, a recent edit reverts mention of JPL, but it looks to me like there are still/already enough mentions of it. Should it be mentioned more? Gah4 (talk) 22:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of Pasadena[edit]

Hi, I came to this page looking for the etymology of Pasadena, which is not given. I found this elsewhere but don't know if it should be somewhere in the body or as a footnote: http://languagehat.com/pasadena/ Kenif (talk) 14:32, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The explanation given by Kenif is what I've always heard, yet the article says this:

The original inhabitants of Pasadena (from the Tongva language name "Pasakeg-na")

so--wtf??

Both explanations have some plausibility, so the article should probably mention both of them, not just glibly toss one of them off as if it's established fact.2600:6C50:800:2787:AC0E:6BE9:7816:69BC (talk) 18:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Born and raised in Pasadena and having spent my life reading multiple sources on the city's history, I have only ever seen the Kennif explanation, and while I have seen maps of native villages in the Pasadena area, none of them reference any place calling itself "Pasakeg-na." Samhuddy (talk) 19:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Pasakeg-na" is not backed up by any Tongva language research or lists of known villages. In the Pasadena area, the known nearby villages are places like Hahamongna, Akurangna etc. As far as I can tell, the "Pasakeg-na" story goes back to page 15 of a 2005 book by Enrique Diaz, where it is not given a translation. I don't know where he picked up that idea, possibly it's a local misunderstanding given many place names ending in -na are in fact derived from Tongva villages.

On the other hand, there are several historical sources on the founding of the American city of Pasadena (such as the history written by resident Hiram Reid back in 1895) that convey the story of the naming of the town by Americans. They did not consider any names indigenous to the LA area but instead used a Chippewa dialect name because it was local to where one of the founders came from. Deanta91 (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I came here looking for the origin of the name "Pasadena" too and it says it's a Chippewa word. Well, seeing as the Chippewa did not live in California how did a Chippewa word come to be used for the name of the town? Inquiring minds want to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.89.122 (talk) 01:49, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I read the article the guy above posted. Interesting but you really should explain in the article how a Chippewa word named the town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.89.122 (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the founders of Pasadena came from the states of Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan, and adopted a name from their former local nation.Samhuddy (talk) 19:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

US Census[edit]

The first paragraph should be part of the US census Tortillas fritas4life (talk) 09:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That makes no sense. John from Idegon (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Writing 1 TR Both Classes[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 24 August 2023 and 14 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Isabellamary0522, Jseo16 (article contribs).

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Rose Bowl[edit]

Shouldn't there be more information about the Rose Bowl? Such as more history, more specific events like the Fourth of July or so on? Jseo16 (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You mean, like at Rose Bowl (stadium), which is linked from this article? There is no need to duplicate the content of the Rose Bowl (stadium) article in this article. Donald Albury 18:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]