Talk:Randy Orton/Archive 3

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Input to the GA process

I’m not going to GA review it (I don't feel qualified) but I will give you guys a quick list of things I know you need to fix before it has a chance, I speak from experience here. And this isn’t an exhaustive list by any means MPJ-DK 10:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

From AndyZ’s Automated review tool, stuff that’s easily fixed but will stand in the way of GA

There isn't much I can think of to improve the lead with. As for the links, is there anything major I should remove? Netherthless, thank you very much for the comments you made, your hard work is appreciated. Davnel03 12:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I just had a quick read through and I can suggest a few changes for the lead:
  • Remove "nicknamed The Legend Killer". That is a gimmick and outside of wrestling he would not be known by that.
  •  Done
  • There is mention of him being a third-generation wrestler, but in the body of the article it never mentions his grandfather.
    • Which section would it be apppropriate to mention him in?
  • If possible, talk about his life away from the ring.
    • I have no idea of where I can get stuff like that from.
That's all I can think of. - Deep Shadow 23:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments Deep Shadow. Davnel03 08:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


  • Randy isn't 6'4"
Randy is a legit 6'5" he towers over John Cena who is about 6'0-6'1, someone please edit it to 6'5" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.113.39.210 (talk) 03:07, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
Your source is..... oh, you dont have one, I'd call it OR. Davnel03 17:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't bite. Lara♥Love 17:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry. :( Davnel03 17:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Randy is 6'5, it says on other websites, plus you can't always trust WWE.com, they say Rey Mysterio is 5'6 but he is obviously shorter than that. Also, look at him compared to Triple H, who is actually about 6'3, and he is taller than him by a few inches. So Randy is 6'5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrissieOrton (talk • contribs) 01:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

GAC review

Lead

  • "Orton's career in the WWE has included of him" - that doesn't read well.
    • Reworded. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Any information in the lead should be expanded in the body.
    • I think all of this is expanded in the body, can you give me any specific things that aren't? Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
      • His grandfather. There may be more, but that's what I noticed right away. Lara♥Love 05:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
        • I'll try and add somethings about his grandfather, with sources. If I can't find anything, will that affect whether the article can pass GA? Davnel03 19:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Career

  • "Before long, Orton signed a developmental deal with WWE and was sent to Ohio Valley Wrestling in Louisville where he rose quickly through OVW's ranks by becoming OVW Hardcore Champion."
    • "Before long" is vague and unencyclopedic.
      • Removed. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    • What is a "developmental deal"?
      • I don't know the exact meaning, but I think it's a short-time deal for wrestlers that are in WWE's lower territories. I've removed "developmental" though, as general readers will not understand what this means. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    • This also should mention kayfabe or something. It currently reads in-universe.
      • Brought "kayfabe" in a put it in brackets - might be in wrong place. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    • "Gifted with strong wrestling skills, tall stature, and a knack for cutting promos on the microphone" With the exception of his height, all of these are up for debate. I would like to request citations. Wrestling fans across the internet disagree. Please view a professional wrestling website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.103.143.9 (talk) 19:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

World Wrestling Entertainment

  • Only three of the six listed years have a description listed with them. This should be consistent with all six.
    • Removed the three descriptions. Davnel03 08:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

2003: Evolution

  • This section is borderline on the in-universe. It's got the disclaimer words, as I call them (face, heel, stable), but it still reads as real. I recommend some light tweaking of the prose.
  • I'll leave it as it is until you get back from work. Thanks for this at short notice. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Is there anything specific that could be changed or re-worded? Davnel03 08:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

2004: Singles Star

  • Why is the third paragraph between dividers (page width lines)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LaraLove (talk • contribs) 06:14, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
    I have no idea. I have removed it until another edit can explain why its like this. Davnel03 08:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
    I'm the guy who re-wrote his career and separated the years with emphasis on his singles career, his time with Evolution, and his 9-month feud with the Deadman. Face it, the encyclopedia is not free of interpretation and should be far from a simple "he beat him at ppv # on ..., becoming #1 ..." and so on. I wanted to make it interesting and added some inside info, making it into a narrative, but not an in-depth story. It makes for a better read, a more informative article, and a better grasp of the facts. If I wanted to look into his career and saw he changed from a stablemember to a singles star, that is more informative than just stating the years and implying a chronology below. I'd be happy to answer questions and add to this article. --Screwball23 talk 16:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
    My question was why there were dividing lines in the middle of the article? They've been removed. It's fine now. LARA♥LOVE 20:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • This first half of this section reads very in-universe.

2006

  • Still very in-universe until the second half.
    •  Done Davnel03 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • DX is mentioned, then under 2007, Degeneration-X is spelled out. It should be spelled out the first time and abbreviated subsequently.
    •  Done Davnel03 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Ensure that Smackdown! and RAW are written as such throughout the article. Also, Legend Killer is italicized sometimes and not others. There needs to be consistency with this. I would think not italicized.
    •  Done Davnel03 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

2007

  • Seriously in-universe.
  • Wikify the F-U move.
    •  Done Davnel03 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal life

  • Watch out for weasel words.
  • This section is too stubby. Rework into paragraphs and tweak the prose for flow.
    • Attempted to rework it, but still migh need a few minor tweaks. Davnel03 15:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Yea. This is still rough. Some information is very trivial. Like his favorite matches. It either needs to be listed chronologically with dates included, or it needs to be separated by personal vs career. Even though it's the "Personal life" section, there's still career stuff in there. Steroids and drama with the ladies. Perhaps consider splitting into a "Personal life" and "Controversies" or something. LARA♥LOVE 16:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
        • By the looks of things, another editor has already done that. Davnel03 18:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
          • I did it. I'll look over the article again right now. LARA♥LOVE 16:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The info about his hypermobile shoulders should be expanded. How does that affect his career. Is he able to do special moves because of it? Things such as that. I'm transferring some information to other areas in the article where I feel they are more appropriate, and where they improve prose and flow. LARA♥LOVE 16:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't know much about that kind of stuff. If another editor can add to whats currently in the article, please do. Davnel03 18:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

References

  • All references need to be consistently foramtted, with all available information included. WP:CIT may be helpful.
    • Done, I think. Davnel03 12:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Ensure that all dates are wikified for user preferences. This includes wikification of the year in dates. For example, you shouldn't have August 27, 2007.
    •  Done Davnel03 15:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Works (magazines, websites, etc.) should be italicized.
    •  Done Davnel03 15:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • All available information should be included. It should be as follows: Last, First (wikified date). Title including URL. Work or Publisher, pages. Wikified retrieval date. - If there are coauthors, their names are First Last and they go between author and date. Cite web templates will automatically format the above.
    •  Done - most of the above have been done by other users, so thanks go to them. Davnel03 15:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I have to go to work now. I will pick up with this shortly. Lara♥Love 19:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC) I'll be updating periodically. I have the next two days off work. The review will be completed in that time. Lara♥Love 05:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it took longer than expected. Busy week. LARA♥LOVE 20:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

GA On Hold

I'm noticing more issues as I go through it this time.

  • The lead needs the addition on information from the controversy and personal section.
  • The first sentence under 2002 doesn't specify when. The source states 2001.  Done
  • In the second paragraph of 2003, The Game is mentioned as if it is common knowledge that it is a nickname for Triple H, but it is not. Done
  • The 2003 section and those that follow still read very in-universe.
  • Be sure that terms and their formatting are consistent. Spelling and capitalization too.
  • The controversy section still contains weasel words. It needs to be rewritten in a more NPOV.
  • Somebody needs to find out something about the hypermobile disorder.

I corrected many issues as I found them, but article writing isn't so much my thing, so I wasn't able to correct everything. Very good work so far; I think it will be ready within a few days if work continues as it has in previous days. Unfortunately, there are still too many issues for this article to achieve GA at this time. For that reason, I am failing putting the nomination on hold. Once the issues are addressed, the article may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel I have made this decision in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, LARA♥LOVE 18:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)Amended by Lara♥Love 20:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA

All issues have not been addressed and some new ones have come up. The newly added copyright image needs to be removed. Copyrighted images of living persons do no not qualify for fair use in most cases because free versions are available or can be made. Also, there is an image from commons that has been nominated for deletion as who ever granted permission for use did not hold the copyright. Once these and the previously noted issues have been addressed, the article may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel I have reached this decision in error, you make seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Best regards, LaraLove♥ 18:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

harley race line

ok, he spit in harley race's face. I don't see the impact of that move now, although it may have made a real scene. I want to know what importance it has, if any, and why it is placed before the Shawn Michaels feud, when it happened a year later.--Screwball23 talk 17:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I too was wondering why that was there. At first I thought I might have deleted some part of the article, but I went back to read it out and it was stated like that. But it does have an impact (my opinion) of him out beating all these legends. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

anybody know?

Afterwards, the long-running feud was settled with a final high-stakes match at Armageddon 2005. The Undertaker lured Randy Orton to a match at Armageddon, offering to place his retirement at stake. On December 16th, The Undertaker entered the ring to deliver a promo, when one of his signature entrance druids stayed put in the ring. Confused, The Undertaker was RKO-ed in a surprise attack by Randy Orton. The druid revealed himself to be Orton's father, giving Randy the Undertaker's urn (which, in storyline terms, allowed whoever held it to control the Undertaker). The newly-acquired urn gave Orton a special advantage at the upcoming pay-per-view, which could allow him to beat an already submissive Undertaker. However, at the match at Armageddon, The Undertaker overcame the odds, beating both Randy Orton and Bob Orton in a Hell in a Cell match. The match ended their nine-month-long feud, making The Undertaker the outright victor in Randy's Legend vs. Legend-Killer matches.[36] This paragraph is difficult to write correctly. What was the story regarding the final Hell in a Cell match? Was it billed as the official one to end all matches? What part did the urn play in controlling the Undertaker? Was it present in the match itself? And was the retirement at stakes, or was it only a lure? If retirement wasn't at stake, was it called a Legend vs. Legend Killer match?--Screwball23 talk 22:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Does this help? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Not really.--Screwball23 talk 15:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Right here's the run up to it (the way I remember it):

Undertaker returned at Survivor Series[1] after Orton set the casket on fire at No Mercy.[2] On a SD! Special two nights after Survivor Series, Orton attacked 'Taker, RKO'ing him. Orton rammed Undertaker into the titrotron, while Taker was in Eddie Guerrero's lo-rider.[3] Undertaker then made the hell in a cell match.[4] Orton then said he was going to "retire", before a druid came out with a urn (like what Paul Bearer use to do). Orton attacked Taker as he was put of by the druid. Orton vicously attacked Taker.[5] Taker then won at Armageddon.

Hope that helps. Davnel03 16:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

References

While the article has many references, it is still considered underreferenced because particular facts are not accounted for. I've placed [citation needed] tags in all areas that will most likely be noted as "unreferenced" in a thorough GA/FA review. I'm sure I missed a few. This will help us pinpoint the references we need to obtain. Please only remove a tag after the information it applies to has been properly sourced. Note: In some instances, it may seem as though the "citation needed" tag appears before a sentence (because in a few cases the tag appears as the first thing on a line), but in all cases, I have indeed placed the tags BEHIND the sentence that needsd to be referenced, so make sure you are looking at the right thing.

I realise that in some instances it will be hard for us to obtain references but lets try our best to knock these out.

Thanks, --Naha|(talk) 19:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's all try and very best to reference everything! :) Davnel03 19:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I've referenced virtually everything up to 2006. Davnel03 20:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Outstanding! --Naha|(talk) 00:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
All the fact tags have gone!- bar one. Can somebody attempt to source this statement in the 2006 section:

However, as Eddie's death had occurred only months previously, many fans felt the comments were unwarranted and highly distasteful. Thanks. Davnel03 11:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I added some; but not sure if those are the ones the fans felt about. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, as a fan myself, I thought all comments he made during that storyline were "unwarranted and highly distasteful" but I don't count. I think a valid source regarding negative fan reaction to any of that plot would be sufficient--Naha|(talk) 20:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Neutral PoV

I was reading the article and saw this 'Orton was rightly given the gimmick of a Legend Killer, an outstanding young star with the potential to defeat and humiliate the legends of wrestling history.' in the introduction section. It dosnt really sound that neutral to me. SimonD 12:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


Suspension

Randy just got suspended for steroid use, along with a lot of other WWE talent. Somebody add it in! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.198.46 (talk) 22:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a source? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Somebody isn't reading the news article very carefully. While the article on wwe.com states 10 wrestlers have been suspended and their names will be made public on Nov. 1, the news articles like www.nydailynews.com list 11 wrestlers who were all identified as clients of Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, the site raided by Albany County and Florida law enforcement agencies in February for distributing steroids and other prescription drugs to clients who had not been examined by doctors. The investigation is part of a probe into illegal Internet drug distribution by Albany D.A. David Soares.
It is unclear at this time which of these wrestlers will be suspended by the WWE.
This is NOT the list of the 10 wrestlers who have been suspended, they are just clients of a particular pharmacy. --Naha|(talk) 23:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

If you're a client, you are suspended. It's as simple as that. Orton is going to be suspended as of Nov.1st so you might as well edit that it. Even if it turns out to be a mistake, his name has been linked, so it should make the page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.198.46 (talk) 10:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not as simple as that. This is Wikipedia, and neither of the sources state that WWE confirms the suspension. Therefore, we can state that he is considered to be one of the suspended, but we cannot ignore that it's not confirmed by WWE. Figgie123 14:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
As much as I'd like to agree with you, the sources don't even say that he is "considered to be one of the suspended," his name is just given as having taken specific drugs. --Naha|(talk) 14:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
The second link says that New York Daily News has identified him as suspended, but not confirmed by WWE.
The New York Daily News Web site said Thursday that wrestlers Randy Orton, Charles Haas, Jr., 
Adam "Edge" Copeland, Robert "Booker T" Huffman, Shane Helms, Mike Bucci, Anthony Carelli,
John "Johnny Nitro" Hennigan, Darren "William Regal" Matthews, Ken "Mr. Kennedy" Anderson 
and Chavo Guerrero were suspended.

Neither the WWE nor the Albany County District Attorney's office would comment on the pro wrestlers'
identities Thursday, aside from saying no criminal charges were filed.
Wouldn't that entail "considered to be suspended"? Though, I'm also okay with the suspension information being removed and just list that he's listed as a client of the pharmacy. Figgie123 14:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but what "second link"? The only story I can find on the NY Daily news site lists no confirmations. Please link the story you are referring to here so I can read it too, thanks :) --Naha|(talk) 14:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the link in the Randy Orton article, the second one showing up after the allegations of suspension in the article. Third and fourth paragraph are what I copied above. http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/251798 Figgie123 14:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Ahh I see that now, thanks. There is one major problem with this however, the only New York Daily News Web site article I can find regarding the situation (which I have already linked in this conversation, see above) does not actually say the the names of the wrestlers who have been suspended. They only say the names of the wrestlers who have been accused of using particular drugs. TheStar and SI seem to be "putting two and two together" without actual confirmation. As much as I tend to agree that they are right, it is, unfortunately, still speculation at this point. --Naha|(talk) 15:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Also, all these articles list 11 wrestlers, and WWE has announced they are suspending 10.LessThanClippers 20:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
There are many articles that specifically say "WWE added an additional wrestler to the list" (as opposed to just listing 11 people), bringing the total to 11. Still waiting on the "official" list though. --Naha|(talk) 21:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, Randy is not suspended. He was at the House Show yesterday and others like Kennedy wasn't there... So this must mean Randy isn't suspended. (Yaszie 14:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)) Yaszie

HE IS NOT SUSPENDED! The rematch has been made at the raw tapings for unforgiven. Some one remove this immediatly.BIG Daddy M 03:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

You people do realize that the names haven't been confirmed and are not official? I believe it is November 1st or so they will make it official. Although, I am not for sure though. Mr. C.C. 05:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


There were actually 14 wrestlers who were confirmed to have received the steriods and other drugs, but only 10 of them (so far) has been suspended. The list of who has been suspended has not been released, and they have only been suspended for a few days, things could change on RAW tonight. - T-75|talk|contribs 19:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


Seriously take it off. Theres no clear evidence that he is part of this thing, the only evidence that the whole world can see is that he is not suspended and all this does is give the man a bad name. Until you can prove he is/was suspended, its unfair to have this on and it should be removed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.120.239 (talk) 12:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Reference to Triple H/The Game

I spent some time working on this article today. My biggest concern (which is small) is the mention of The Game. There is no clarification to indicate who this refers to. I wasn't sure of the best way to do this, but I think it would help. GaryColemanFan 18:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I see this was already mentioned as part of the GA review. I added some clarification. GaryColemanFan 18:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Married or not

It says here that they either are getting married on Sep. 13 or the 21st. Should this be noted? Zenlax 1:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


I read ages ago, about a year ago that they were getting married on the 21st? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 21:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Randy didn't attend a House Show on Saturday.. Maybe he was getting married? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 15:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I think he did get married. Its not likely of him to miss a Houseshow. Speed CG 16:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think he did. He was supposed to get married around this time... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 19:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Then it should be added that he got married. Zenlax 20:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Not until there's a source. Gavyn Sykes 00:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

To drive home Gavyn's point, WP:NOR, WP:V and WP:BLP. The Hybrid 00:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


i was right :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 16:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

About? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Cause I said he was getting married on 21st lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 18:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a source? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Attempted Suicide

This passage does not belong on this article. This is simply a claim by a single internet journo that has been denied by all internal WWE sources as well as Randy's father Bob Orton. Wikipedia's job isn't to report baseless rumormongering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vwwe (talk • contribs) 04:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


Rumours do not belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 20:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Legend Killer

Well, I added a table with all legends killed. I modeled the table after Undertaker's on his article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Undertaker#Championships%20and%20accomplishments). Tell me if you like it or not. Thanks, Lex94 16:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It includes 12 legends (Shawn Michaels, Sgt. Slaughter, Ric Flair, Jerry Lawler, Dusty Rhodes, Rob Van Dam, Jake Roberts, Chris Benoit, Harley Race, The Undertaker, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, "Cactus Jack" Mick Foley and Harley Race), 1 legendary diva (The Fabulous Moolah) and 3 legendary tag teams (The Dudleys, Rock 'n' Sock and DX). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lex94 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Its a little too big. No offense. Zenlax Talk Contributions 19:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

What's the point in having the table and the other info in his In wrestling section? And when did Rated-RKO "kill" the legend of DX? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:43, 01 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, there is a similar list that is referenced in the In wrestling section. Let's pick one and stick with it. DrWarpMind 01:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Shouldnt Rey Mysterio be added as a legend that has been killed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.121.125.113 (talk) 05:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Was his match with Orton a Legend vs Legend Killer match? I personally think the table should go. There's not that much room in his Championship and Accomplishments section. But, again that's all me. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:36, 02 October 2007 (UTC)

well, rey is the lightest world champion in pro wrestling history so i guess he would be considered a legend and randy has pinned and RKO'd rey mysterio so i guess he should be added 2 the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.121.125.113 (talk) 01:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, his profile on WWE.com doesn't mention Rey as a legend that he "killed". So its not worth adding. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:47, 03 October 2007 (UTC)

Since when was Rey Mysterio considered a "Legend?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 16:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Should his victory over 10, excuse me 11 time champion Triple H count as Ledgend Killing? Technobabble1 03:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Orton has already killed the legend of Triple H when Rated RKO defeated DX last year. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've heard Jim Ross or anyone refer to Triple H as a legend. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Triple H, but if I'm wrong, someone can correct me. I just think it's pointless to say he killed the legend of Triple H when HHH isn't even a legend. Then again, I don't think RVD is a legend and they tacked him on his list for legends killed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 14:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless mentioned by WWE, to me the other names are OR, since it's speculation on whether or not they're legends. Mshake3 14:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Too many pictures?

This article seems to have an overabundance of pictures. I fail to see the reason for two pictures of Rated-RKO. The tag team was only around for about a half a year. This is all just my opinion of course. Any thoughts? Gavyn Sykes 19:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it looks good with a lot with these illustrations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaszie (talk • contribs) 20:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Gavyn on the two Rated-RKO pics. The one that should stay would probably the one with them as the Tag champs. But that's just me. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:49, 01 October 2007 (UTC)
Are there any objections to removing the pic of Orton and Edge in the ring and moving the pic of them with the tag belts to the former's position? If not, I'll make the change tomorrow. Gavyn Sykes 22:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I object.LifeStroke420 22:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Seriously what's the point in having 2 Rated-RKO pics? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:49, 02 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, what is your objection, Lifestroke? Why do you object? Gavyn Sykes 23:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

My objection is i dont see the relevance of removing.LifeStroke420 11:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Two pictures of the same thing in one article aren't really needed. Lots of pictures =/= good article. Gavyn Sykes 15:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
After looking over the article again, I think it may be a better idea to keep the picture of Rated-RKO without the titles. The pic of them as tag champs is really gritty and a bit hard to see properly. Any thoughts? Gavyn Sykes 22:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I guess you're right Gavyn. I think all the images we have are more clearer. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:16, 07 October 2007 (UTC)
Since no one has objected (and they had every too) I've gone ahead and removed the picture of them with the belts. Gavyn Sykes 02:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Um I do beleive i objected.LifeStroke420 02:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

You did, yes. But you didn't provide any good reasoning as to why the pic should stay. "I don't see the point" doesn't really cut it. Then the conversation continued and you remained silent. Gavyn Sykes 02:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
And not a sufficient objection. The vote was 2-1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:48, 07 October 2007 (UTC)

No the convo didnt continue. Dont delete the pic until more people have voiced their opinion.LifeStroke420 02:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly my point - the conversation did not continue. You never replied and no one else voiced any objections whatsoever. Your reasoning for not removing the picture is unsound, so I went ahead and did it. It's been several days. However, I'll go alert this project to this issue and we should get a few more opinions. Gavyn Sykes 03:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:BOLD, it's going to stay with the one picture until a real objection is voiced, meaning one with a well-developed idea and sound reasoning behind said idea. "I object" on its own doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. The Hybrid 03:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

You should put this new picture, i'll send you the link "http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/randyorton/photos1/2007rawphotos/06_randkicksgt_83x64.jpg" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.96.164.252 (talk) 12:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That picture is owned by WWE.«»bd(talk stalk) 13:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we only need one picture of Rated-RKO since it only existed for like 6 months and having 2 pictures would make it seem more important and long-lasting than it really was. Keep the one without the belts as it is more clear. DrWarpMind 13:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

My opinion: remove the Rated-RKO Champions pic, and move the IC title pic down there. Mshake3 16:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, each picture needs to be unique. Him just being at a show doesn't really cut it, as that's generally what the infobox image is. One for a tag team partner, championship, stable, etc, are fine, but images for the sake of them is bad (which I'll admit I"ve been guilty to at times). Mshake3 16:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this is a good time to say that the pictures are way to big. They overpower the article. I've made them smaller before, but they are big again. Am I the only person that feels this way? Nikki311 03:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

WWE Championship after World Championship

This just came to me, and I was wondering if it's worth mentioning that Orton is the first man to win the WWE Championship, after winning the World Heavyweight Championship, everyone else seems to do it in reverse order, first holding the WWE Title (HHH, HBK, Undertaker, Angle, Edge), then they go onto hold the WWE Championship. Doesnt matter if you dont, I just thought it was kinda cool. Peace 220.235.118.239 04:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Legends Defeated

Just these corrections for the list:

  • Shawn Michaels was before Stone Cold Steve Austinl; so they need a switch.
  • Harley Race is not on the list. Yet, he should after he was spat in the face by Randy on Raw.
  • Sgt. Slaughter's legend was "killed" in the very first Legend vs. Legend Killer match the night after Survivor Series 2003, so he should be placed after Stone Cold.
  • The Dudleys were the first legends to be defeated. Randy said it himself on Raw. He began using the term LEGEND KILLER after pinning all three Dudleys.
  • Right after Rob Van Dam, Randy Orton pinned Tommy Dreamer on ECW. He should be on the list.
  • Triple H's legend was defeated at No Mercy, in a Last Man Standing match for the WWE Championship.
  • D-Generation X's legend was defeated twice at Cyber Sunday 2006 and NYR 2007

Hope someone sees to these fast. Lex94 04:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe these corrections might help. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:07, 08 October 2007 (UTC)

Why would Tommy Dreamer be considered a Legend? I don't recall him doing anything legendary while in the WWE, so there is no reason to consider him a legend. Call me crazy, but holding the ECW title for a half hour, 3 time ECW tag champ and a 14 time Hardcore champion is hardly considered legendary. But, then again, I'm not sure what the criteria for being a WWE Legend is these days. I asked this same question as to why someone would consider Rey Mysterio a Legend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk • contribs)

WWE Championship reign

2 or 3 times now, since No Mercy? It says "2 times, current" on the article page but he gained it twice in one night, and it's been acknowledged as HHH's sixth reign also.--Dlae 11:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Orton is a 3 time world's champion; one World Heavyweight, two WWE Championship reigns (the two in one night at No Mercy). Triple H had his sixth WWE Championship reign (the first time he's held the WWE Championship since the Brand Extension) that night and is a five time World Heavyweight Champion, making him an eleven time champ. Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 12:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


Oh my, I was confuzzled then (it was a bit early for me). XD
I soon realised I neglected the World Heavyweight title (in place of the WWE title) and that it changed brands. Thanks for the quick and concise reply --Dlae 14:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


Yes, he indeed is 3 time WWE champ. Just read it here, towards the bottom of the page. http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codysockeye (talk • contribs) 15:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Link the three pages then. Mshake3 15:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
1st Reign (World Heavyweight, 2nd Reign (WWE Championship), 3rd Reign (WWE Championship). Hope this helps. Bmg916Speak 16:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
And only two are from the linked page I asked about. How frickin hard is it for you people (codysockeye) to understand that there are two different world titles? Mshake3 16:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Well that was uncalled for. Please be a bit more civil. The Hybrid T/C 11:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a correction there; he's 3 time WORLD champion. ;P
1. He beat Chris Benoit for the World Heavyweight Championship, before the title was moved to Smackdown with Batista.
2 / 3. At No Mercy '07 (WWE Championship)
If you look on the titles' wiki-articles, you'll see the WWE site link underneath 'External links', as well as Wiki having its own history list (1 / 2). --Dlae 16:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the above after your first comment but I removed it. Again, it was a mistake on my part; I just needed "time to wake up". Although, this topic should save further confusion as to whether the first WWE title reign counts since there are references provided. --Dlae 17:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The first reign counts. As the #1 contender, he was awarded the championship after it was vacated. Then, 20 minutes later, lost it to Triple H, making his first WWE Championship reign the third shortest in WWE history, then won it back from Triple H in the main event. I don't know why his first reign wouldn't count. If I confused anything, sorry about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 16:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

He's listed two times in the championship history on WWE.com so that's good enough for me. This is no different than what happened with Andre the Giant and Yokuzuna reigns. Andre was champion for less than a minute and Yokuzuna's wasn't much longer, yet both reigns are part of WWE canon.Odin's Beard 22:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

DarthRandalsxe? Legend?

Someone put in "DarthRandalsxe" as a WWE Legend. I'm sure this should be removed.

It has been removed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Reference 123

I honestly don't know why, but the source is coming up as a huge orange box at the bottom of the page. I have no clue how to fix it. Gavyn Sykes 03:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

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