Talk:Rosamund (queen)

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On 10 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Rosamund (Gepid). The result of the discussion was Moved to Rosamund (queen).

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This page needs some attention. First, it needs some references. Second, it says "recent scholarship" and then cites a work from 1895. And the primary source is available online both in the original and in translation, so External Links would be good to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forkbeard (talk • contribs) 02:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The more recent works cited here also appear to be from the early 20th century at best. The most recent is this one, but it has little on Rosamund, and referes to her mostly as a legend. The article for Helmichis has sources on Helmichis and Rosamund both, including her death, from an author who wrote in 1995. --GoldCoastPrior (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Helmichis/Elmigisilus[edit]

"However, recent scholarship suggests that it was the work of multiple men, including Helmichis, Peredeo and Elmigisilus"

"Helmichis" and "Elmigisilus" are actually one and the same. The name elements are helm- and -gīs(l), as seen in the name of Tato's son, which appears as Hildechis in Paul the Deacon's History of the Lombards, but as Ιλδιγης/Ildigēs in Procopius (note that η/ē was pronounced /i:/ in contemporary Greek, so it's a perfect transcription of -gīs(l)). Furthermore, I just checked the source for this bit, Hodgkin's Italy and Her Invaders, and there's no mention of the form "Elmigisilus". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.134.115.212 (talk) 23:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Von Chésy play[edit]

The main connection between this woman and the play by Helmina von Chézy (known because of Schubert's music) seems to be that the protagonist is a princess called Rosamunde and that there was poison involved, or is there more to say about it?

The German Wikipedia says, "Das Schauspiel Rosamunde von Helmina von Chézy mit der Bühnenmusik Franz Schuberts geht sehr frei mit dem Stoff um" (...it handles the story very freely). Bever (talk) 03:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 April 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Rosamund (queen). Per consensus. – robertsky (talk) 12:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rosamund (wife of Alboin) → Rosamund (Gepid) – This was this article's title when it was created. We tend to regard it as inappropriate for women to be defined by their husbands; this is particularly valid in her case, since he raped her and then she tried to poison him. "Gepid", the name of the people she came from, is a perfectly reasonable way of describing her. PatGallacher (talk) 00:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by the dab page, this could be moved to the base name Rosamund. None of the persons whose given name is Rosamund vies with the queen for primacy under that name. None of them could be identified simply as "Rosamund". But if that solution is rejected, I do not oppose the move, although Rosamund (queen) might be better. Srnec (talk) 02:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - WP:NCDAB states that "If there are several possible choices for parenthetical disambiguation, use the same disambiguating phrase already commonly used for other topics within the same class and context, if any." I think Rosamund (queen) would be the most appropriate title if disambiguation is needed, since there are no other queens named Rosamund. UmbrellaTheLeef (talk) 09:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Ok, "Rosamund (queen)" is quite reasonable. However I would be cautious about treating her as the primary topic, because of the length of the disambiguation list, and because Rosamund Clifford (aka Fair Rosamund) might be better known, at least to British people. PatGallacher (talk) 13:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Don't really see a problem, but Rosamund (queen) would be the best solution if moved. Definitely not the primary topic for Rosamund though. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.