Talk:Sur (Pashtun tribe)

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Punjabi Suris?[edit]

What's all this nonsense about Punjabi Suris. As far as I know, Suris are entirely Pashtun. If there are any Khatri Punjabi Suris then they are of an entirely different ancestry and certainly not Pashtun ancestry. zakka 02:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiable[edit]

I have taken that info off as there is no link of evidence between them, neither has any verifiable citation been provided for this connection. Hence the irrelevance of this has promoted it's removal from this page until the evidence can be provided.--Shanti bhai (talk) 10:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Massive deletions by user Alefbe[edit]

On 10th March user Alefbe deletes link to this article from another article [1] Ghurid Dynasty Doesent discuss simply deletes suggesting his reasons for deletion, that this article is poor quality .
[2] Stating 11th March and over 5 consecutive edits alefbe deletes 6 referenced contents fro reliable sources from this article . His deletions renders the article poor .
All deletions effected without any discussion on talk page .
If this is not vandalism , what is ??

Intothefire (talk) 05:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

haven't you read my response to your comment below? Alefbe (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On 14th March Alefbe again deletes content[edit]

Intothefire (talk) 10:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your reasons for deletions cursorily stated on edit summary's are

a) Uncorroborated.
b) disingenuous ,
c) all content you are deleting here is intrinsically related to the article .
d) nobody has appointed you the arbitrator of content relevance management
e) your unilateral actions are simply uncivil .

Intothefire (talk) 10:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Referenced content from reliable sources removed from this article[edit]

Alefbe entirely deletes 2 referenced content on 11th March.

Reliable source content deleted by Alefebe here were from

a) The History of India told by its own Historians H M Eliot and Dowson

b) Ferishta -Translation John Briggs

Alefbe entirely deletes another 1 referenced content on 11th March

Reliable source content deleted by Alefebe here were from

The Kingdom of Afghanistan: a historical sketch By George Passman Tate Edition: illustrated

ISBN 8120615867, 9788120615861

Alefbe entirely deletes another 3 referenced content on 11th March

Reliable source content deleted by Alefebe here were from

The Shah-Namah of Fardusi translation by Alexander Rogers

Intothefire (talk) 14:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources which are talking about subject totally irrelevant to this page shouldn't be included (including them here is just misleading for the readers). None of them were talking about anything related to a Pashtun tribe (Named Sur or Suri). Out-of-context quoting is indeed a type of distortion of a source. Alefbe (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Alefbe. This article needs to have all primary sources and outdated sources removed. These sources have been used to push a POV which is not supported by modern day academic scholarship. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:40, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes[edit]

@Historyandshit: Hi. Let's use this talk page instead of my own, as it's more relevant and others can more easily join. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry for the late response. I think there is a modern and non-colonial source called History of the Pathans. It's a multi-volume history of Pashtun tribes, spanning 2001-2012. I think the third volume will have some information on where the Sur fall within the Pashtun tribal landscape since it's about the history of the Bhittani/Ghilji tribes, the supercluster under which the Sur usually get grouped under. I will look into it. Historyandshit (talk) 00:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You sure that isn't the one by Olaf Caroe? He's not a historian. If it's not the one by him, as long as it's WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]