Talk:Sweden

Why does this article have extended-confirmed-protection on it?

I'm just curious. MisterN1C022 (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

There was an intractable, long-term edit war involving non-EC user Policynerd3212 (talk · contribs). The log entry seems to reference a WP:AN3 report that does not exist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. MisterN1C022 (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

If you're still curious, the relevant ANEW report seems to be Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive452#User:Policynerd3212 reported by User:TylerBurden (Result: Blocked). Liu1126 (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. MisterN1C022 (talk) 00:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 December 2023

The Muslim population figure is outdated, it is now 8.1% which translates to 850.000, according to https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/441219-SWEDEN-2022-INTERNATIONAL-RELIGIOUS-FREEDOM-REPORT.pdf 217.27.186.212 (talk) 19:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 00:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately a few wiki-moderators do not want to update factual informations on the page regarding immigration/changing demographics. But yes - the muslim population is certainly not 2.3%. It is just false information. According to a Pew Research estimate the muslim population was around 8.1% in 2016. And it is certainly higher now. Policynerd3212 (talk) 21:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

France has a higher tax percentage of GDP than Sweden - so do some other countries.

In the article it is claimed that only Denmark has a higher tax as a percentage of GDP level than Sweden, this is not true as France and some other countries also have a higher tax as a percentage of GDP level than Sweden. The idea that Sweden is an exceptionally high tax country is out of date. 2A02:C7C:E183:AC00:F983:2396:697:CC50 (talk) 12:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

The percentage of Muslims in Sweden is much higher than "2.3%".

In the article it is claimed that 2.3% of the population of Sweden are Muslims - this is clearly a gross underestimate. 2A02:C7C:E183:AC00:F983:2396:697:CC50 (talk) 12:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately a few wiki-moderators do not want to update factual informations on the page regarding immigration/changing demographics. But yes - the muslim population is certainly not 2.3%. It is quite misleading. According to a Pew Research estimate the muslim population was around 8.1% in 2016. And it is certainly higher now - my guess would be 15% - 20%. But there are no official figures on the matter. 2.3% is definitely wrong though. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/Policynerd3212 (talk) 20:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Islam in Sweden has several percentages from different sources, and it is not obvious which percentage we should use. There is also the question of defining "Muslim", which is part of the reason the percentages vary. One source (Sanders) uses "belongs to a Muslim people by birth, has Muslim origin, has a name that belongs in the Muslim tradition, etc.", others use "religious Muslims" and one source uses the number of people registered as belonging to a Muslim congregation. Any discussion about the right percentage needs to consider that. The latest statistics [1] puts the number belonging to Muslim congregations at a little more than 224.000, which is close to the 2,3% in the infobox and also counted in the same way as the percentage for Christians, i.e. based on membership in a congregation. So, I wouldn't say that 2.3% is completely wrong, but there could be other numbers that are better. Sjö (talk) 12:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Well it's easier to blame "wiki-moderators" than it is to consider Wikipedia policies and its approach to sources. TylerBurden (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

2.3% is just out-right false information. Read the Pew report. Or talk to any political scientist/expert from the region. Or ask any Swede. Or just go for a walk in Malmö or Stockholm. @Sjö Policynerd3212 (talk) 21:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

"The latest statistics [1] puts the number belonging to Muslim congregations at a little more than 224.000, which is close to the 2,3% in the infobox and also counted in the same way as the percentage for Christians" - This is not actually what your source says though. It just shows the number of registered members/employees in the religious communities eligible for state subsidies in 2021. It doesn't claim to show the actual numbers of muslims/representative percentage of religious groups in Sweden. These sorts of statistics are not available for Sweden - and we know the number is way off. So why have it in the info-box? When we know it is completely misleading/false? @Sjö Policynerd3212 (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Change the percentage to atleast a range, so for this it would be 2.3-8% and then give a footnote explaining why on estimates. Tweedle (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

It should honestly just be completely removed as there are no official figures regarding representative percentage of religious groups. 2,3 - 8% is also way off. It is certainly significantly higher - and since the estimates are so far apart/so different one cannot meaningfully/with any credibility actually assert it. Policynerd3212 (talk) 16:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

You have made yourself very heard, your WP:BLUDGEONING and WP:NPA's aren't helping your multi-year crusade on this talk page about this topic. TylerBurden (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Haha well, you have gone on a - very succesful - multi-year crusade to delete relevant information on the site. And look where we are? The page has blatantly false information - which at least 3 people on this page have made Extended-confirmed-protected edit request to edit.

And still you will probably get your way again - since you clearly know the wikipedia system. And I don't. So you will keep being able to delete relevant information/keeping outdated false information. All in the name of political correctness. Good for you.

In any case - I will keep pointing out all the incorrect information. Policynerd3212 (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like we might be heading to WP:AN/I again, since it seems you are incapable of not making personal attacks and accusations based on your own misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works in favour of content you want to push. It was extended protected because you refused to stop edit warring, which you will likely continue to do once you have bludgeoned this talk page enough to reach 500 edits. TylerBurden (talk) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not "content I want to push". It is simply correct and updated information I want to 'push'. Fact of the matter is - this page has blatantly false information in the info box - which at least 3 people on this page have made extended-confirmed-protected edit request to edit. And you refuse to correct it - Why? Policynerd3212 (talk) 13:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

What's the correction? From what I can see your "correct and updated information" is supported by statements like "go for a walk in Malmö or Stockholm" and an 8 year old pewresearch report. As you said yourself, hyper accurate statistics with definitive numbers are not available, the same as with ethnicity which was also repeatedly added using WP:SYNTH sources. The actual source cited (which is official) gives a total of 224,459 members in the different Muslim organizations, which supports the current percentage. Of course that number might be different, but by that point it's speculation and down to different definitions of "Muslim". There are crowds of people that consider anyone with brown skin Muslim, or count non-Muslims as Muslim because they are from a family that practices Islam. Let's stick as close as possible to actual official numbers. TylerBurden (talk) 21:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

What do I want corrected? The blatant false information on the page concerning the religious groups in Sweden - which at least 3 people on this page have made extended-confirmed-protected edit request to edit. The claim that 2.3% of the population of Sweden are Muslims is obviously completely wrong. The source you cite do not state that 2.3% of the population in Sweden is muslim.

It just shows the number of registered members/employees in the religious communities eligible for state subsidies in 2021

Which is obviously completely different. As you admit yourself there are no official figures regarding representative percentage of religious groups. The best estimate is from Pew Research which is from 8 years ago and very out-dated. The infobox on religious percentages in terms of population should therefore be removed. Policynerd3212 (talk) 20:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 January 2024

Change Islam percentage to 5%. The clickable link states that the percentage is around 5% as well as the demographics on this same page saying the Muslim population being around 600k (which translates to approximately 5.6%). It's a bit confusing for readers to have the page say 2% when the same page also says an entirely different number a few paragraphs later. Otterstone (talk) 07:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The estimates in the Islam in Sweden article and in the Sweden#Religion section come from older sources, while the statistics in the infobox are from a 2020 source. Per WP:OLDSOURCES, newer sources are preferred, especially in fields where information can change quickly. Arguably, even the data in the infobox is outdated, as the Religion in Sweden article is using the 2021 version of the source, but I don't feel like crunching the numbers right now. Liu1126 (talk) 20:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

In addition the source from 2020 do not not even contain any actual statistics stating that muslims are 2.3% of the population as far as I can see. Where in the source do you see this? Policynerd3212 (talk) 21:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

They will never change it. A few wiki-moderator old-timers do not want to update factual informations on the page regarding immigration/changing demographics. But yes - the muslim population is certainly not 2.3%. It is just false information. According to a Pew Research estimate the muslim population was around 8.1% in 2016. And it is certainly higher now. Policynerd3212 (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2024

So that I can fix grammar mistakes Nadinoda (talk) 11:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 11:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Opening section missing modern history

2 or 3 sentences on modern history summarizing the history section would be helpful. The opening section abruptly ends at the “early 18th century.” I realize space is limited, but I think there’s a way to condense the 4 nature/environment sentences above into 2, maybe 3 sentences to be more economical. 2600:100C:B05F:B4B6:19D9:409F:D3A:EA42 (talk) 11:14, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 February 2024

Under Economy / Waste Management text there is an "of" missing in the text, "Around 52% its waste is used for energy production (that is burnt) and 47% recycled.". Should be "Around 52% _of_ its waste is used for energy production (that is burnt) and 47% recycled." FlamingDrake (talk) 09:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! NotAGenious (talk) 12:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Swedish Approval into NATO

Sweden has officially been ratified into NATO as of 26 February, 2024. Posted by the Swedish PM Twitter/X account: Link And the Swedish government site: Link 70.106.180.233 (talk) 22:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

38C heat record - citation needed

Here is your source, should you want it: https://www.smhi.se/kunskapsbanken/meteorologi/svenska-temperaturrekord/svenska-temperaturrekord-1.5792 176.10.146.95 (talk) 22:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Population in intro

I suggest we make note of the fact that Sweden has the largest population out of all the Nordic countries within the intro. Whoever can do it if this proposal acceptable, please do.JamesCook1728 (talk) 22:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

2.3 muslim percentage is clearly wrong - Correction

Can someone explain why this is on the front page? It is obviously completely false information. FlyRaySmith (talk) 05:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources seem to support numbers in the 2–3% range - what do you believe to be the correct information and based on what sources? Nikkimaria (talk) 05:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a whole section above, The percentage of Muslims in Sweden is much higher than "2.3%". Please read that, especially my comment on the different statistics and the definition of Muslim. Sjö (talk) 06:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see. In that case it might be better to remove the stats from the lead and discuss the definitional issues in the text. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)