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Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was no consensus. @harej 23:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dubrovnik (ship) → Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik — Relisted for further input on which is the preferred name here: Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik, or JRM Dubrovnik. Jafeluv (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article was created under this name and moved without discussion. The suggestion (and original name) better meets the naming conventions at WP:NC-SHIPS. — Bellhalla (talk) 11:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Consistent with the ship naming guideline for military ships. Perhaps Jadran (ship) should be moved as well? Jafeluv (talk) 22:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Grudging Support~~Oppose in favor of correct title, see below. — I know that there was a "standard ship prefix" for Kingdom of Yugoslavia ships, I just can't remember or locate it right now...
— $V = I * R$ (talk) 05:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per nom and to meet naming conventions. Benea (talk) 03:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JRM Dubrovnik. The standard ship prefix is "JRM" (Jugoslavenska Ratna Mornarica, Yugoslav War Navy). The problem of course, is that this ship served in the Italian and German navies. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 08:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Thank you, I knew there was a prefix... I do see where it did later serve in the Italian and German navies, but is that really a problem? I'd think that we'd want it to reside at it's original name (JRM Dubrovnik) and have redirects from it's later names.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 12:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik[edit]

Despite the assertion in the above RM, a Google search for the current title shows no hits for reliable sources using JRM as the official prefix for Royal Yugoslav Navy ships. The title of this article should therefore be the standard MOS for ships, "Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik". Thoughts? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

JRM Dubrovnik → Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik – WP:NC-SHIPS. A Google Books search for the current title shows no hits for reliable sources using JRM as the official prefix for this ship. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:58, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support "Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik". Note lower case d. Srnec (talk) 19:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, my mistake. I have amended the proposed move to properly reflect NC-SHIPS. Thanks. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ship Prefix[edit]

According to this picture http://www.barper.com/en/NUMIZMATIKA-MILITARIJA-XXXVI/Militaria/Kraljevski-brod-Dubrovnik/36/456/28686/, the full name of ship was Kraljevski brod Dubrovnik, Royal Ship Dubrovnik. So, the standard ship prefix should be "KB", that was the prefix of Yugoslav Royal Navy. --N Jordan (talk) 03:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source for that? Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 03:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find anything written in English. Here is a tally, an inscribed silk ribbon with a name of the ship, that was tied around the base of a sailor cap: http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3489.0;attach=345702;image Here is text from Government gazette http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24733.0;attach=593922;image However they don't use "KB" but "Kr. brod" for ships, "Kr. torpiljirka" for torpedo boats, and "Kr. drager" for minesweepers. --N Jordan (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is about what the ship is called in English, and as you have said there isn't any mention of this prefix in English sources that I am aware of. These also seem quite unwieldy for an article title. REgards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 03:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Navypedia[edit]

I'm afraid that navypedia isn't a reliable source. I suggest Jane's or similar sources would be appropriate. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 20:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I had a feeling that Navypeadia isn't such a good source, that's why I already got a few more that are reliable and actually have more info about the ship (Jane's, Conway's and such). I actually wrote the lead and development section based on them, but I just didn't have time to list them after finishing so I thought to do it later on. I'll get to it as soon as possible and continue with the article.--Saxum (talk) 08:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"she had been damaged by Yugoslav civilians prior to her seizure"[edit]

Fifth columnists? Or something else? Srnec (talk) 01:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources don't say. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking about it some more, given it happened in the Bay of Kotor, it is probably more likely that it was Montenegrins or Serbs wanting to thwart the Axis rather than Ustashas given the historically small Croat minority there. But again, that's just speculation. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Skoda" weapons.[edit]

The 40mm AA hyperlinks to 40mm Bofors which is certainly wrong. These were semi-automatic guns of original Skoda design. At the same time, the 15mm AA MGs were not Skoda, they were ZB (Zbrojovka Brno). 94.73.43.171 (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I need to bring this article up to speed with the additional information in Freivogel's 2020 book Warships of the Royal Yugoslav Navy. He specifies Skoda 40 mm guns and ZB 15 mm MGs. Will fix this shortly. Thanks for raising it. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AA guns done for now, will come back and work in additional detail from the most recent Freivogel offering. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]