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Fix your error. Its find not found

Thank you for the story

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TSU Campus image

Because one can freely take photographs of the TSU campus, you cannot use copyrighted images of the campus; I have a free image of the TSU campus. If you and Houston and want to take your own pictures, that is perfectly fine. If you are not in proximity to TSU, you can make a photo request for me or others to take photos at TSU too. Lastly, if you want to, please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Houston - Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

When are you gonna clean up the TSU page?

• What information do you consider to be irrelevant?
• If you are referring to the Slade stuff, I must add that Wikipedia articles should be based mostly on secondary sources. A lot of sources reported in detail about the Slade scandal, so the article cannot ignore that particular aspect.
• In regards to other matters (i.e. alumni listed that did not go to TSU, etc) that aren't controversial, please note the page Wikipedia:Be bold - you are welcome to make changes that you feel are necessary. If someone opposes your edit, he or she will let you know, or you can contact him or her on his or her talk page or on the article talk page.
• Thanks,
• WhisperToMe (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

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Answer to your question about alumni dates

Hi, I did not add the alumni section, and I don't know who did or who is maintaining it, so I'm afraid I'm not the one who researched the alumni dates. Sorry I can't be of more help. Best of luck to you, --Paulsuckow (talk) 00:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Yes I did, thx!

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Texas Southern University Seal PROBLEM

I was trying to update the seal to a better version but it didn't show up now the link is totally gone. I accidentally clicked save instead of show preview to see if it worked. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

I have the better seal on my C drive. A silver and maroon one I found via Bing's image search on Texas Southern University. It was one of the first dozen images.

All this is under Texas Southern University.

Help me!

Help me with fixing the seal for the Texas Southern University wiki page. The previous seal was lackluster and didn't have the school colors. And I was simply trying to upgrade it to a better one and now it's missing totally and I need assitance in adding the new gray and maroon seal

Broadmoor (talk) 18:22, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I have restored the previous version. More in a minute or two.

You can always go back to a previous version of an article. Click the "View history" tab, then click on the time/date link for the revision you want to restore, click "Edit source" at the top, ignore the warning "You are editing an old revision of this page", and click "Save page". It is best to use an edit summary like "Reverting to version by Soandso at 17:15, 15 February".

Any image you find on the internet is almost certainly copyright to someone, so you need to worry about that, see WP:Copy-paste. This might well come under the exception for logos - read WP:LOGO for what you would need to do in order to use it.

Another tip: if you refer on a talk page to an article or another page, write its name between double square brackets, like [[Texas Southern University]], which gives a link Texas Southern University. That makes it easier for readers to find it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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LGBT culture in Dallas–Fort Worth

Thank you for improving the LGBT culture in Dallas–Fort Worth article. I appreciate the efforts you made adding the choir!

I also appreciate finding the new figures. One thing I did was remove your citing of another Wikipedia article and cited the actual source. References may disappear from another Wikipedia article and it may be difficult for other people to verify the information. Citing the actual source and indicating the proper page number will help people verify the info.

Also even if you find one set of figures, please don't remove the other set. There may be different estimates, and therefore it may be good to refer to all of them.

Happy editing! I'll see you soon! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, it's fine if the lead paragraph can be simplified! The detailed statistics can be moved to a sub-section within the article. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Alcorn State University

Hi! I noticed the removal of this content. I think it's important to leave this fact in the article (that Alcorn isn't very prominent outside of Mississippi). If you remove sourced content please state why the removal is happening in the edit summary.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 02:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Even though the source is still over 20 years old, the history of the school's reputation is still important, and to my knowledge there is no new written information that contradicts what was said back in the 1990s. The reputation and notoriety of a university is very important and it should be reflected in its article. If there are any published sources saying that the school has become more famous, I would like to hear about them. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

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March 2015

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. ElKevbo (talk) 15:58, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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Don't delete others' comments on Talk pages

Please don't delete others' comments on Talk pages. It's perceived as hostile and rude and there is widespread agreement that it should only be done under very limited circumstances. ElKevbo (talk) 02:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

What comments did I delete? Broadmoor (talk) 02:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

These. ElKevbo (talk) 03:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't recall pressing delete.Broadmoor (talk) 03:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you remember doing it or how you did it. You did and you should be more careful in the future. ElKevbo (talk) 03:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It does matter, you are already harassing me and I'm not trying to give you any more reason too. I really don't remember deleting it and still not convinced I did so right now.Broadmoor (talk) 03:36, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleting cited material

You have deleted cited material from the article Florida A&M University without any reason given in the edit summary. The hazing incident might be summarized more tightly but was a landmark in realizing that students were still subject to hazing at the university level and has helped put a stop to it. It was national news for months.

The graduation level is already short enough. It is very key information about the university or its admission policy but draws no conclusions as to either. It should remain.

Rm material without reason seems hostile to Wikipedia's policy of WP:NOTCENSORED. Student7 (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I did give valid reason to the person who placed it there. Broadmoor (talk) 03:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there. As you will have seen, the user with whom you have been involved in a dispute regarding this page has filed at the edit warring noticeboard. I've tried to defend you there because I don't think it helps anyone just to stop to allow you editing, especially since you describe yourself and appear to be someone of integrity. However, please be aware that you really need to start engaging in serious discussion at the page Talk:Texas Southern University about these controversial removals of information. Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, Wikipedia's very core is about collaborative editing, so you need to try to reach a consensus through reasoned discussion. Saying things like "I will always delete it" seems to suggest that you are not open to doing so. I'm sure this was just something in the spur of the moment, but you need to be very careful now as you were already blocked previously for edit warring, which is in effect the opposite of discussion. Thanks for thinking carefully at any rate about this message, and feel free to leave me a message if you want any further input. --Jay _{Σεβαστός}^discuss 12:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

• Rather than starting (or continuing) another edit war regarding the NCAA sanctions, what do you think would be a good compromise? NCAA sanctions are a significant event that needs to be noted; whether or not it isn't cited in on other school's articles are irrelevant- maybe you can help identify and correct these shortcoming on other pages. Perhaps a separate article about the sanctions can be written and linked to within this article? Frankly,this article, like many others about other schools, reads more like a press release from the college's PR office and less like an neutral, objective summary of the facts. Since no one believes any institution is perfect, these articles actually make the institution seem sketchy and unwilling to be honest. I believe mentioning the "warts" of the institution lends more gravitas to the article as it demonstrates that it more fair representation of what the school is actually like. Wkharrisjr (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
  • No not all NCAA sanctions need to be noted Wkharrisjr because if you're familiar with college athletics you would know that they are quite common and are not a noteworthy event. The only time NCAA sanctions are noteworthy is if the "Death Penalty" is rendered which means an elimination or prolonged suspension of a program (think SMU football in the late 80s). Outside of that, noting NCAA sanctions are petty and not responsible editing. But despite that I left the sanctions on TSU football wiki page since it's only dealing with them and there's still one more year left of the sanction. So IT'S THERE AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE NOTED TWICE and I'm writing in all caps b/c I've stated that fact several times. What's fair is to leave it like it is and work on other pages that are seriously lacking in content and correctness that deserves your attention.Broadmoor (talk) 23:38, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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May 2015

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Tuskegee University, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 18:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Please explain how the NCAA link isn't a reliabile source Broadmoor (talk) 19:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Your comment on another user page...

Can you show me where the administrators agreed with you and blocked the other person who kept adding the NCAA sanctions? From what I remember, you were the one blocked for edit-warring, not ElKevbo, who was the only you were edit-earring with. This shows that the admin, Swarm, didn't take a side and said that you two need to talk it out more. I was just getting ready to comment on the user's page when I saw your comment. Corky | Chat? 00:42, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm convinced you're ElKevbo just a different user name ... why of all content to add are you adding the NCAA Sanctions from 3 years ago just like he was. And I wasn't blocked for the NCAA Sanctions which is the topic at hand. The administrators locked the account to prevent ElKevbo from adding unnecessary and biased content and for also being a hostile editor which I provided.Broadmoor (talk) 00:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

My point is that you were blocked for edit-warring with that user; I didn't say what you were blocked for, I just said you were blocked for edit warring. The page was protected, not only to prevent ElKevbo from adding it, but to prevent you from removing it as well. Once again, SHOW me where I've added the NCAA sanctions content. The ONLY edit I have made to the article was THIS, which does NOT even deal with the sanctions. I could really care less whether or not the content is on there, but you need to talk to him about it instead of edit-warring. It is getting old when you and another user are acting childish. Corky | Chat? 01:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Texas Southern University and Athletic Rivalries

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September 2015

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I normally do, but I've had the discussion with ElKevbo before about his biased editing on the matter so I didn't leave anything. Any opportunity he has to challenge me even though evidence proves he's in the wrong, he will. Thanks for the reminder.Broadmoor (talk) 17:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Normally do? I would beg to differ... Your contributions shows you used it earlier today (twice!), but then that last time you used one was on this edit:

22:20, 19 July 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+239)‎ . . Florida A&M University ‎ (Undid revision 672215724 by ElKevbo (talk) Here you go, yes it's history).

I wasn't really talking about your interactions with ElKevbo, it was really just a reminder because I've seen your name in my watchlist a lot w/out a summary. Just remember, not only does it help other users, but it helps you as well. Corkythehornetfan 18:01, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Right, I will be more mindful of that. If I feel I can easily prove it's grossly wrong or out of place I tend to be less inclined to leave a note initially but I will anyway moving forward.Broadmoor (talk) 18:20, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all your contributions, such as to Hampton University. I don't want to repeat the above automated note, but I would like to join with others and request that you explain your edits using the edit summary field. It helps us other editors understand the why and what of your change without having to completely examine each change. In my experience, it tends to make my edits have less "friction" with others. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:00, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Zeta Phi Beta

Where's the source for the USF incident? —C.Fred (talk) 01:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I left it after the sentence again, it was in the original citation but you had to wait for it ... do a ctrl+f to find the incident. There's many stories about that incident and Zeta Phi Beta is one entity so if one soror doesn't something wrong, it's a reflection of the whole organization which is why there's a intensive screening process for membership. Hazing culture is still strong in ZPhiB and it needs to be documented, has been for years. It's a reality good or bad.Broadmoor (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Tweeking text...

For the various NPHC articles, you may simply want to get the text to the form you want in a local sandbox and then copy it over.Naraht (talk) 16:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Labor Day Classic

Hey, I'm not sure if you saw my response or not, but I realized that I left out a bracket so it didn't ping you. So incase you didn't, I said go ahead! The only think I do with rivalry articles is sometimes convert the old tables to the new table. ❄ Corkythehornetfan ❄ 00:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

African Americans

Hi. Your edit summary is wrong. I just looked at two such articles -- Japanese Americans and American Jews -- and neither has an "increase" or "decrease" indicator next to the population.

As I wrote in my edit summary, please read the instructions at Template:Increase. The population of African Americans is not comparable to "ranking in a list or company profit". — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Either remove all increase symbols or don't remove the one from African Americans. ::::

I just corrected your error at African Americans again. Please start a discussion at Talk:African Americans if you have any rational justification for your edit. Thank you. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

What does it mean that it's not "comparable" to ranking in a list or company profit? Those are examples. The template documentation says "These templates show icons to indicate increase or decrease, such as ranking in a list or company profit." which means the basic idea is that it can be used to mark increase or decrease, then it gives two examples, but it could give more. If you have a real problem with the presence of this additional information on African Americans, I suggest you state it on Talk:African Americans (which seems like a better place than here), but nitpicking on the template's documentation doesn't show a real problem, and certainly not an "error". LjL (talk) 21:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Let's take it to Talk:African Americans

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I sent the other editor a warning but you are not exempted from discussing it in the proper place either. I see nothing in the template's documentation against using it, but it won't hurt to make a good argument about why it's beneficial to use it in the first place (is it supported by sources?), and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS justifies neither adding it nor removing it. LjL (talk) 22:10, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I've already tried reasoning, I said if the indicator is wrong why do other pages have it but I got no response outside of I'm wrong despite having proof that most similiar pages have the indicatorsBroadmoor (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

That is not a sound line of reasoning: just because other possibly wrong stuff exists on Wikipedia doesn't mean it should be copied elsewhere. Both of you should make good arguments about why this should be included or not, which should not be based on what other similar pages do, unless you can show that what they do, they do for good, sound, policy-based reasons. LjL (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

LjL that was not my complete argument. I said if it's wrong on the African American page, why is there no imitative to take it off the 3 other ethnic group pages mentioned that have the very same thing. And to that I got no valid response outside of because I said so. I'm fine removing the indicator but it also should be removed from the ethnic group pages which they didn't seem to agree with. What sense does that make?Broadmoor (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

It makes perfect sense to first ensure the original dispute is solved on the page where it originally took place, before enforcing the same outcome on other pages; not doing so could be seen as WP:POINTY editing and is really not recommended. Thus, "why aren't they doing the same on other pages too?" is far from a good argument to make, and falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS like I've kept telling you. LjL (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Well I see what the administrators have to say. I don't think it's that simple.Broadmoor (talk) 16:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thomas.W we're already discussing this on the African American talk page ... go see for yourself.Broadmoor (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

And? Whether or not you're discussing it, you've gratuitously violated the WP:3RR rule, and now you've been reported, and informed about the report as is required. Good luck with not being blocked; even though I was in support of your change, your way of defending it has been utterly inappropriate (I see you've even told Thomas.W in the edit summary to a further revert that other articles create precedent, in complete defiance of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXITS which I've by now pointed you at several times), and if you get blocked, you had it coming; sorry. LjL (talk) 16:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I did nothing wrong in my egregiously wrong in my opinion, I did what I knew was best to stand for integrity and consistency in editing. I didn't call anyone out there name and create a hostile environment like the other users. Had I known how to report a block I would've done that but I don't remember how to do thatBroadmoor (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

You broke WP:3RR, which is a bright-line rule, after being clearly warned about it, so by definition, you did something egregiously wrong. The wrongness of what others did is more arguable, but what you did is grounds for an immediate block, depending on the closing admin's best judgment. LjL (talk) 16:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Right but I should have not got the warning in the first place, that's the problem. But like I said the closing administrator will have the final say, I'm making my argument the best as I can.Broadmoor (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

What? That makes no sense. You were about to break WP:3RR, so of course you should have got the warning. That's what warnings are for. People aren't meant to get a get-out-of-jail-free card for edit warring past 3RR just out of not being warned for it. That's pure nonsense; and as you can see, you've now been blocked, so you weren't doing a very good job of arguing (especially not by accusing established editors of sockpuppeting, that was really hideous). Well, now at least you'll have a fair bit of off-Wiki time to read up on Wikipedia policies. LjL (talk) 16:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

And I just love how Bishonen blocked me for edit warring and false accusations (which I'm entitled into my opinion) without even acknowledging how MShabazz called me a "dick" and other names more than once ... is that not worthy of some type of block or repercussions? Wikipedia is lacking in fair administrators. You should speak up on it LjL as well and have this investigated.

I've already spoken up on it - repeatedly, once on Talk:African Americans and once on your edit warring report - but honestly, after your shenanigans on the report, I don't expect any sanctions to be handed out to anyone but you. If you're new, try to learn, not to yell left and right and make absurd accusations that you can't prove like that two well-established editors are the same user. Being "entitled to your opinion" doesn't mean you are entitled to make such personal accusations against other editors; to most Wikipedians, that sort of thing is worse than using words like "dick". LjL (talk) 16:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

LjL oh yeah my personal opinion that someone is using multiple accounts is WAY worse than being called the derogatory term "dick" multiple times. And a opinion doesn't have to be proved, just like no one was able to prove that a growth indicator didn't belong without a shadow of a doubt and it was fine. And furthermore, if MShabazz was entitled to call me names without repercussions, I'm entitled to my opinion on him. This isn't a fair process or one that makes sense no matter how you try to rationalize it. This site is controlled by a bunch of psycho cyber bullies and biased editors.Broadmoor (talk) 14:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Walk away then. LjL (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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I fixed it, I meant honors college/honors program.Broadmoor (talk) 14:41, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Local vs. National coverage. (Pi Kappa Alpha)

This is something that I have been meaning to talk to you about (and I would really appreciate your comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities#Controversies to restart it)

You added two controversies on Pi Kappa Alpha. The 2017 Cal State Chico National Forest situation definitely has National Coverage and thus qualifies for inclusion Pi Kappa Alpha. OTOH, the one added in 2010, has a ref which is local coverage in the school newspaper, and IMO doesn't belong on the page. I'd appreciate if we could use this to explain what sort of coverage is needed in this regard.Naraht (talk) 13:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

"If you can't prove otherwise, don't delete"

This revert isn't how things work on Wikipedia. First, you don't WP:OWN the article. Second, unsourced material can be deleted on sight. The burden of proof is one the editor who wants to keep material in an article. I'll give some time before I look at this again but strongly recommend that you reconsider the revert, or find some sourcing. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:11, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Since when did every school document every tradition.Broadmoor (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Moved from Bri's talkpage Since when every university documents all of its rich traditions. Nothing listed as a tradition on the page in question is outlandish or questionable. I can personally vouch for what's listed.Broadmoor (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I can see above that people have had an attempt to educate you on what a reliable source is and why they are so important to Wikipedia. Maybe it is futile but I will try again. Your recollection or whatever, if it had been published, would be a primary source and the least-desirable kind of sourcing, not admissible in most cases. Since it hasn't even been documented (and, by the way, we don't know who you are), it is completely inadmissible. Surely you must realize this? Sometimes, facts, though they may be facts, must be left unsaid here, this is summed up in WP:NOTTRUTH which is worth a read, if that stings. It elaborates Wikipedia:Verifiability which is a policy -- that means it's not my opinion, it's just how things are. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I can see also you have an insidious agenda. Why would delete the picture of the architecture picture on the page? You're making all kinds of biased and ridiculous edits and not adding anything of substance Broadmoor (talk) 01:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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I did leave comments and explained the issue on the talk page. But there's one editor committed to conveying a false narrative about HBCUs and apparently I'm the only that seems to care about the integrity of Wikipedia.Broadmoor (talk) 02:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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Please stop adding the athletics logo in the Texas Southern University article. Per WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFC#UUI§17, we cannot include it the article. The only article it is allowed in is Texas Southern Tigers. Why? Because it is a non-free logo and copyrighted, only allowing us to use it in one article. File:Houston Cougars logo.svg, fails originality, making it in the Public Domain. Public Domain images are allowed in any article because they are not copyrighted. I hope this helps you and maybe will make you quit edit warring. Corky 00:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Corkythehornetfan I'm not convinced I'm violating any rules. There are many university pages that have images not in the public domain on their main page and no one is complaining. And it's befitting for the image to be on the main page, I don't see the big deal. If it can be on the athletics page, it should be OK the main page as well. And just because no one didn't take the time to place the image in the public domain, doesn't mean it can't be used as such. It's not a precious protected image, it's everywhere. Broadmoor (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Did you read the policies I linked? They specifically say these can't be used. University articles that have non-free logos are usually in the infobox, which include the seal and the university logo. Those are perfectly fine. What isn't fine is a non-free athletics logo being used in the article. It is just a decorative non-free file when in it is used in the body of the article... that violates WP:NFCC#8. Do you have proof that isn't copyrighted? I'll be glad to ping another user who deals with images on a daily basis if you don't believe us. Corky 00:58, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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User:General Ization you haven't been following the incident. I have been provided lengthy links with all kinds of content in them but none of it concisely addresses the matter at hand so like I said I'm still not convinced. I did attempt to engage in fair dialogue about the matter but things are rarely resolved that way without going to a dispute board of some sort.Broadmoor (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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If I need to be convince other editors what I'm doing is right, I need to be completely convinced what they doing is right as well. And how am I supposed to be sure it's not the same editor with different accounts. I have two different Wikipedia accounts ... one at home and one at work.User:General Ization.Broadmoor (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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NPOV discussion at Talk:Alpha Phi Alpha

Since you have contributed before, I'd like your opinions.Naraht (talk) 15:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

(User talk:Naraht) I feel they (frat members) were going to eventually find a flimsy loophole to remove any truthful information that put the fraternity in a negative light. I'm surprised it took so long. But I do feel the good and highly publicized bad needs to be there for balance and integrity reasons. The fraternity has always been plagued with many serious hazing violations and that should be clear. Hazing is part of the frat's identity regardless if they like it or not, it's the truth. Broadmoor (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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Human Jukebox

Can you add these photos to The Human Jukebox article?

Please add photo between photo's of building and dancers.

Add Caption 'Longtime Director of Bands, Dr. Isaac Greggs "Doc"(1969-2005).

Dr. Isaac Greggs

' Add Caption 'Exclusive "S" worn only by members and Alumni of Southern University Marching Band.'

SU Marching Band

It would be greatly appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by TylerBCHS (talk • contribs) 23:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

TylerBCHS sorry, I rarely read my messages but I made the change. Thanks for your help. And if you can, please let me know if you can help me build the other HBCU band pages.Broadmoor (talk) 13:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Nominate North Carolina A&T State University as a Good or Featured Article

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ElKevbo Good idea, I will likely do so soon.Broadmoor (talk) 13:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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Please stop changing the nicknames. If you look at the link to the left of the nickname, it indicates the athletic nickname, like Braves and Lady Braves for Alcorn State. The mascot would be something like Mickey the Brave or something similar if it existed.Naraht (talk) 20:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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This is original research (not allowed on Wikipedia) as the source is only a ranking of schools and doesn't actually say the school is distinguished. You need a quote from a journalist from say the Houston Chronicle or Houston Press saying it is such.

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Thanks for updating the # of students. Please fix the reference you provided - it's gibberish. Thanks. Contributor321 (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Looks like the reference is missing essential info, such as https// or www. to link to a website. Contributor321 (talk) 01:47, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Recent Fraternity and Sorority article changes

I've seen your work before, and appreciate much of what you do. In this situation, you've made a flurry of edits to the Fraternities and sororities article, which is way at the top of the foodchain for multiple derivative and more specific articles below it. But in your recent work you are deep into the weeds: You are asserting, and expanding a section that talks about recent chapters in the news where biased or non-balanced publications take them to task for an anecdotal incident of the organization's bias. I note several problems with this:

• To include such claims, unchallenged, at the summary level of ALL FRATERNITIES AND SORORITIES implies that these problems are systemic and widespread. This patently untrue, as all fraternities have lengthy resumes of internal legislation that seeks to dismantle all aspects of bias and the various "-isms" that plague society today.
• The fraternities and sororities practice their freedom to associate, choosing members from a privileged group who have already been accepted into their universities. Students then may choose from a flurry of groups, at some universities numbering in the thousands where they can offer their volunteer time and make friends. These relationships are forged as a two-way street. Fraternities and sororities come in a multitude of styles that embrace every lifestyle and segment. Yet your changes ignore this reality.
• Some of the multicultural fraternities and sororities are quite old; one of your edits, removing the sentence that they started in the 1920s allows readers to assume that they are a recent development.
• Many fraternities began as Jewish-themed, or non-sectarian; The fact that many of these have merged or fallen off is really a triumph of a more inclusive culture among Greek societies - pluralistic inclusion, as I explain here - and shows the exemplary progression of these societies to throw off a significant form of bias.
• Fraternities are among the most studied and watched groups on campus. They consequently are schooled regularly in matters of avoiding bias, and empathizing toward others. You do not mention this.
• One of the most recent areas of bias concern among some in society is that over transgender people. Even though internal legislation takes time to evolve, several national fraternities and sororities have adopted policies that they will not deny membership to transgender people. Yet you do not mention this.
• The articles you have cited are polemic, and antagonistic toward Greeks; You've not included any alternative views, nor put in standard disclaimer language. You therefore assert that these claims of bias are true. They may be, instead (and ARE, in my opinion) simple outliers.
• The historical record shows that fraternities have been on the forefront of pushing for societal change in the area of race, and with some exceptions, tend to be welcoming toward gay students, and those of the other segments of bias that you mention. To expand on the race issue, because it stretches further back in time, after the military integration of WWII, the next place it occurred in a rapidly changing time was within the nation's colleges and universities. Many, many chapters made stands in support of pledging blacks, who had formerly not been a significant proportion of the student body of these schools. Many fraternities and sororities rejected bias clauses in the 1950s; some quite earlier. Indeed, the record for the Greeks generally in this regard is laudable. --Some chapters and some individuals are exceptions to this rule. But are outliers, not common.
• Students are often reactionary, but student behavior is cyclical and predictable. Just because there is a petition drive to 'ban the Greeks' somewhere doesn't mean any more than an organizer is using this to cause a wedge. Campus protesters scream about so many things but new items of outrage shift the focus from last week's issue to this week's. As the Greeks aren't really "the problem" I do not think they will remain in the cross-hairs.
• As I told some of the young men on one of the campuses where I am a mentor, "None of you would deny someone who is gay to become a member. Nor would you do so on the basis of race. You are past that nonsense. You look at two things: "what is a prospective member's character", and "will they pay their bills." --It's that simple for the vast majority of Greek chapters.

Overall, your changes in this section of the article tend to paint with a too-broad brush, and (frankly) you smear these groups. You are normally measured in your edits, so I wish to call this out to you, and ask you to correct the article. Jax MN (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC) Broadmoor (talk)

Jax MN I can only smear the organizations with false information which I don't and never do. Every edit is properly sourced. Only someone who is pro-Greek life will consider my editing as smearing. I help provide a more holistic perspective of these organizations because if we were to leave it to them to tell their story they wouldn't do it justice. Many scholar articles have been written on the dangers and problematic nature of Greek life so that needs to be conveyed, it's not all peaces and roses and people deserve to know the truth.Broadmoor (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe I was unclear. Take for example a large university article, an organization that was 150 years old, had graduated maybe 1M students over the years, and was the jewel of the state. These university articles are sometimes bloated, with excessive paragraphs on rankings and important graduates, but that aside, let's say the article was thirty column inches when scrolled. Maybe five widescreen monitors full, all laid out. OK, then in his writings, a minor architect who designed one of the oldest buildings is found to have said a racist, but cast off phrase in one of his letters. His buildings aren't racist, but maybe he said a joke about the Klan that, to our ears, was in terrible bad taste. He was a product of his times. What if a WP editor created a new section on that university page, called "Racist Building Controversy", and provided several long and slanted (NPOV) paragraphs about the architect, the building (which must be torn down, in the opinion of one of the many articles he cites), and in the feelings of so many students that another author tracks down for a "man-on-the-street" interview. Or woman-on-the-street. Our article has stretched from 30 column inches to 36. Is that fair or show proper weight? I don't think so. Does it merit a mention or even a "controversies" section? I'd argue no. It's not that I support racism in any way, but that on the balance, this is a tiny issue for a summary page about a 150-year old institution. That is my point.

If these organizations fought to hurt or abuse these various classes of people today, where there was broad systemic or institutional harm, I'd say go for it. But so many of these organizations are on the forefront, the very vanguard of valuable change that I think you are skewing mindsets by promoting these ultimately small and anecdotal items. Yes, you've cited an actual article. Yes, harmful events may have occurred. But on the balance these are not systemic, not widespread, nor representative of what the institutions want to do. Thus they are misleading. Jax MN (talk) 19:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with you. You clearly have a vested interested in curating a false image of Greek life and won't be fair and impartial. There's not going to be a meeting of the minds. I know I'm being fair but of course me being fair will offend people who places Greek life on a pedestal. Evidence shows these organizations have been extremely problematic since their inception, the controversies actually should dominate the pages.Broadmoor (talk) 23:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

What more likely is WP:UNDUE is the systematic exclusion of this sort of information by their enthusiasts. Jacona (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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