User talk:Mitch Ames

Australian gov't & state gov'ts

I went by the infoboxes at the Australian Government, New Zealand Government and Government of the United Kingdom pages. If I'm in error? I won't oppose my changes being reverted. GoodDay (talk) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted the changes I made, that you were so upset about. Why won't you participate further in the discussion that you began? GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

You're required to communicate with others, btw. GoodDay (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:NODEADLINE, WP:BUSY, WP:SILENCE, WP:SOLVE. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Greaves

Links for the benefit of any talk page stalkers, and or for future reference: Richard Greaves (prospector), relevant edit. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

He did literally die at the school he was the caretaker living at the school, with his wife. Gnangarra 13:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Does one of the references say that explicitly? I haven't checked them all, but [1] says:

died suddenly at his residence in Roe street ... caretaker of the James-street State school, and resided at the quarters in Roe-street

Mitch Ames (talk) 13:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Roe street is the other side of the school grounds to James street, the school is now PICA. Yes it is in the one of the references refering to the petition to give him a pension. Gnangarra 13:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

it is in the one of the references — Which one? I'm having trouble finding it. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

try this one as it refers to the school on Roe street, "THE DAWS OF THE EASTERN FIELDS". Kalgoorlie Miner. Vol. 18, , no. 5247. Western Australia. 29 July 1912. p. 6. Retrieved 23 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) or this one "Interesting Items". The Black Range Courier And Sandstone Observer. Vol. VII, , no. 2. Western Australia. 9 January 1913. p. 4. Retrieved 23 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) Gnangarra 14:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

and "NEWS AND NOTES". The West Australian. Vol. XXXII, , no. 4, 358. Western Australia. 21 March 1916. p. 6. Retrieved 23 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) Gnangarra 15:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

So far as I can see:

The Daws... says Greaves still has some of these in his possession, and they may be seen at the Roe-street public school. It does not say that the "Roe-street public school" is the same thing as the James St school, nor does it say where Greaves lives or works. The best we can reasonably deduce is that Greaves (in possession of specimens) is sometimes at a school (living, working, visiting to show off his specimens?) - with a different name to school he is cited as working at.

News and Notes says Greaves [was] caretaker of the James-street State School Perth, with no mention of where he lived or died.

Perhaps I missed the specific part that said "he died at the school" or "he lived at a residence on the James St school grounds". Could you please quote the text that supports (without WP:SYN) the assertion that "he died at the James St school" (or at least on school grounds). Even a quote from a reference that says the caretaker residence was on the school grounds would help. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

voila, some reading of sources Fire Brigade, in response to a call, went to. the ,- James-street .School, where a Fire had started at the woodshed be-longing to the caretaker's quarters! "SMALL FIRE". The Daily News. Vol. XXX, , no. 11, 184. Western Australia. 19 April 1911. p. 5 (THIRD EDITION). Retrieved 26 January 2024 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) proof thattthe caretake lived At the School Gnangarra 14:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Source specifically state born on the banks of the Yarra river near flinders street. Gnangarra 10:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

See Talk:Richard_Greaves_(prospector)#Place_of_birth. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 9 § Women foos

A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 9 § Women foos on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, Mitch Ames, and thanks for commenting on the above category discussion. As you suggested "removing" all women/female categories, I thought I should point out that there are in fact many men/male categories too. Among the most widely used are Category:Men's sports and Category:Men by nationality and occupation including their many subcategories. One reason for the many women categories is that although there are just as many women as men around the globe, biographies of women in the English Wikipedia represent less than 20% of the total. The women's categories therefore help to draw attention to the achievements of women. From the articles you have recently created, you fortunately seem to be among the many Australians who have been creating women's biographies. I also see you have made use of women's categories yourself although most have been added by other contributors. I hope you will be inspired to write many more biographies of women. Maybe your comment on the category discussion was influenced by your interest in The Men's Table? Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 13:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

there are in fact many men/male categories too —and we should remove those also in many cases.

Category:Men's sports — Sports are a special case, because most sports are explicitly segregated by sex/gender. I can run a sporting event and (definitely in my home country of Australia, and I believe in most countries of the world) it is generally legal and acceptable to have separate male and female events. But if a large company looking to hire accountants, for example, explicitly advertised for "women/female accounts" (or "men/male accountants"), or had separate departments for male/female accountants, or listed their job descriptions as male/female ..., it would be in serious trouble with the local Equal Opportunities Commission.

although there are as many women as men around the globe, biographies of women in the English Wikipedia represent less than 20% of the total — that may be the case but ...

The women's categories therefore help to draw attention to the achievements of women. — I believe that we should be gender-blind and gender neutral and not explicitly "draw attention to to the achievements" of one gender or another. We should be treating people equally, without reference to their gender.

you fortunately seem to be among the many Australians who have been creating women's biographies — I occasionally create biographies of notable people. The person's gender is irrelevant to whether I create a particular biography.

I also see you have made use of women's categories yourself — I don't agree with those categories, but defer to the community's consensus on their existence and use.

Maybe your comment on the category discussion was influenced by your interest in The Men's Table? — No. My opinions on gender-blindness and gender neutrality existed before I had ever heard of The Men's Table. In any case the existence of gender-specific organisations (and sports) does not imply that we should categorise people by gender in fields unrelated to gender (scientists, accountants etc). Mitch Ames (talk) 00:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed reply. I respect you for expressing your views even if I don't share them.--Ipigott (talk) 06:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Removal of Noongar names

Hey there, just wanted to discuss your removal of the Noongar names from the article on the Whadjuk people.

I think including them is quite relevant and of interest to any reader interested in the subject. I don't see why a reader wouldn't be curious about this info if they've gone through the effort of finding a particular article on one of the Noongar people.

Your comments about the section on the seasons including irrelevant information regarding plants and animals is not considering the fact that these things are inextricably linked. The Noongar seasons are not conceptualised the same way the winter, spring, summer, autumn system is; they are noticed to start and end when particular patterns are seen among the plants and animals.

Happy to raise this for discussion somewhere else if you feel just as strongly. FropFrop (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

information regarding plants and animals ... these things are inextricably linked — The seasons are characterised/determined by the behaviour of plants and animals, but not by what the Noongar call those plants and animals. Thus the Noongar names for the plants/animals are irrelevant to the definitions for the seasons - the English name will do just as well, and more meaningfully for the Anglophone reader. The purpose of the section is to explain the seasons, in English (the language that Enlish Wikipedia is written in), not to teach other Noongar words.

If you are asserting that the name of a particular season is derived from the Noongar name of a plant/animal – eg (hypothetically) that the word Birak gets its name from the Noongar words Bir meaning fruit and ak meaning easterly wind – then you would have a case, provided that the article said so explicitly, with references.

Mitch Ames (talk) 07:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

No sorry, one of my points was that the names are likely of interest to a reader. My second point was in response to your edit comment that the section is about seasons and not plants/animals, when the determination of when the seasons begin and end is done, in part, by observing plants and animals.

Regardless, we disagree. I'll make a post asking for others' input. FropFrop (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Whadjuk § Inclusion of Noongar names?

Editor experience invitation

Hi Mitch Ames :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Hungarians in Georgia and Hungarians in Portugal

I have redirected these two articles because they did not include any sources. In the future, please make sure to include sources for all new articles you create. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. But be aware that I only moved the content from the talk pages, where it has apparently been created in the wrong place. [2][3]. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Perth meetup "80"

Hi Mitch, for no particular reason I was reading the Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Perth page just now and I noticed a strange controversy about whether the meetup in December was considered the 80th meetup or not. Did you ever get to the bottom of what was going on? 🙂  — Amakuru (talk) 10:05, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with Mitch in any way, and there is no bottom to it, simple as that. JarrahTree 10:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

There was no consensus on the matter of naming or numbering the meetup(s). You could try asking JarrahTree. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
( Posted before I saw JarrahTree's post of 10:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC). Mitch Ames (talk) 11:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC) )

Mitch plainly has no interest in anything to do with the organising meetings, or the organisation of the local meetup, as he is clearly a candidate for the australian chapter of the Groucho Club as he would not be a member if he had the opportunity. JarrahTree 11:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

The Grouch Club sounds more my scene. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Your trolling is bad enough

stay away from my user page please, I am not the slightest interested in your opinion. JarrahTree 10:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Ringwood Field Naturalists Club moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Ringwood Field Naturalists Club. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and per the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ringwood Field Naturalists Club. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Star Mississippi 02:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I did not create the article (although I have worked on it), but the original creator, Nicolekearney, has also been notified, so OK. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For keeping a watchful eye on the spam in articles on deep-sea crustaceans. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 13:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It is very clear that you obviously get distracted on your missions to save the world, I would have thought you would have seen this am's set of redundancies and creeping stream of blue running through your watch list....[4] JarrahTree 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that all my nagging polite suggestions over the years are finally being heeded. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Your idiosyncratic myopia on some issues is never forgiven - your gallant steed of sea of blue or whatever is notably absent so far from such absurd edits...or do you encourage such dangling rubbish - why not adding oceania, planet earth as well then? JarrahTree 01:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh well real life must have invaded your pitch, then it took others to deal with the issue, and more, keep cool... JarrahTree 07:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)