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Page moves[edit]

I wanted to leave a personal message for you. I appreciated your thoughtful responses to me during the unblock discussion. I have a question about the page moves. I noticed later that the latest review I found about the Tohoku earthquake was still describing the plate that Honshu is located on as the "North American or Okhotsk plate" [1]. Microplate was used by Britannica. I got these mixed up. Britiannica is a pretty bad source for tectonic plate articles. I wonder if this is why Vanezi considered the moves inconsequential? It was a mix up on my part so it's ok with me if you undo them. Cornsimpel (talk) 06:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Vanezi's reasoning was more that your edits looked like an uncharacteristic burst of quick activity in response to learning about the extended-confirmed rules than anything else. As I myself have very minimal familiarity with tectonic plate articles, I'd defer to whatever you think is the best representation of reliable sources on these topics. signed, Rosguill talk 13:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read WP:GAME carefully and the policy only says "making unconstructive edits" to gain EC is not allowed. I don't think my edits were unconstructive by any reasonable interpretation and I was close to EC anyway.Even though no one but you and Vanezi supported a topic ban, I am not going to edit in that topic area again because this is a low priority subject for me. It doesn't effect me personally, I am not of Armenian or Turkish heritage, and I am allowed to contribute on many diverse areas of this project without experiencing hostility towards my contributions. I am disinclined to make contributions that I can feel are unwanted even if I don't understand why they are unwanted. Vanezi simply does not want me to be allowed to edit about Armenian ethnic conflict, which according to him, includes edits about earthquakes and fault zones in modern Turkey, and I am not going to fight you over this [2]. Additionally, I had an opportunity to review Vanezi's edits, and I think you should also review Vanezi's edits more carefully and be a little more slow on the trigger in the future. The articles currently seem to slant towards a pronounced right wing Armenian nationalist viewpoint where I would encourage more of a diversity of views among Armenians of different views to be represented in the talk page discussions. Vanezi's removals and edit summaries to the Western Armenia article show that his definition of Western Armenia is strictly geographical[3] and challenged by the high quality sourced content that I added to the east Anatolia article (without intending to challenge him)[4]. He does not want to discuss it on the talk page, so, whatever. If I had understood this before editing, I would not have made those changes to the article because I am not going to edit in a minefield. I simply will not and I don't think good faith editing should be a blockable offense on Wikipedia, even when it gets heated. Please consider my viewpoint for the future. All editors are allowed to edit, but I will not cause any further problems by editing this contentious topic. Cornsimpel (talk) 13:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International Association for the Study of Dreams (AfD)[edit]

Hi, many thanks for drawing attention to the woeful lack of reliable sources at International Association for the Study of Dreams. I've done my best at the AfD to provide multiple new references, including three from The Washington Post, which I found by searching for the organisation's old name "Association for the Study of Dreams". I've listed seven of the best sources at the AfD and I think you should be able to pick your own "top 3" from these. Hope this helps, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Esowteric, I appreciate the work you've put into this. Unfortunately, I've hit the WaPo paywall, so I'll defer to what others can say about the relevant sources. signed, Rosguill talk 15:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Rosguill. Yes, I hit the pay wall after three freebies yesterday. I discounted a fourth WP article after reading the page source with much difficulty. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archived[edit]

Hi. The report I've opened was auto archived [5], but shouldn't it be closed first? Vanezi (talk) 15:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Answer[edit]

Hi. You are mistaken. Kind Regards. BobVillars (talk) 00:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Rosguill! Is there a way to make a request to delete not only the enWiki page but also the faWiki and tgWiki pages of this article? No airport exists in Nazran. Best regards, WikiEditor123… 20:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiEditor1234567123, not to my knowledge, you'll have to either file deletion procedures following those projects' local instructions, or potentially you may be able to get help from a steward on metawiki (this is not my area of expertise). signed, Rosguill talk 04:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) The process for wikis with no active administration would be to request at m:GSR. For wikis with active local administration (which includes both fawiki and tgwiki IMO, but I'm not the one making the decision) then you have to follow local processes and the stewards won't do anything. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PBS Kids Sprout[edit]

Can you take another look at PBS Kids Sprout? It looks like the IP editor tried to make it a stub again. -- William Graham talk 22:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William Graham, I think we can give the page a little bit more time, seeing as the IP's last edit was an hour ago or so. If they fail to provide sources again in a day or two (or if the page gets another cycle of BLAR and recreation without the provision of sources), then I think page protection will be appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 23:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rosguill,

A lot of editing has been done on this article since it was nominated by you. Can you review its development and see whether you still believe it merits deletion?

P.S. I saw the PBS Kids Sprout note and it reminds me of sockpuppets we have who continue to try to create that article as well as ones for other children's TV series. Liz Read! Talk! 05:31, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liz, I'm a little bit disinclined to re-review it per the reasoning at User:Rosguill/New_pages_patrol_is_racist#Behavior_at_AfD (racism isn't the issue here, but I think that the same "the goal of AfD is not to win" attitude may apply here) I suspect that the available sources still fall short of ORGCRITE but don't want to over-influence the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 14:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking adoption[edit]

Hi!

I’m fairly inexperienced in Wikipedia despite making minor edits for a few years. (I’m a professional editor irl.)

I find the system here to be extremely daunting and non-transparent: Particularly, I’ve truly had trouble navigating the protocol to appeal editorial decisions? I can’t find earlier (archived?) conversations on talk pages, to track the history of issues. I’ve felt intimidated by specific seniors with what I’ve perceived as a dismissive, arrogant “rightness”. I would love some respectful guidance.

thank you.

Chico1112 (talk) 08:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chico1112, could you clarify a bit more what sorts of editing you're having difficulty with? signed, Rosguill talk 14:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

House of Romay deletion abandoned[edit]

Good morning @Rosguill. I believe House of Romay deletion discussion reached community majority, but I also feel it's been abandoned after the initial 4 sockpuppets were blocked, with two new ones popping up and currently reviewed as potential sockpuppets too - this could be endless. As a neutral, and only polyglot admin (that has reviewed Spanish and English info and also voted delete) I thought perhaps you can do the honors. Benzeneshamus (talk) 15:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Benzeneshamus, I don't think I'm the only polyglot admin, but regardless, as I have !voted in the discussion, I am considered WP:INVOLVED and cannot close it. I expect a patrolling admin will likely close it later today, as it is currently sitting in the ready-to-close queue. signed, Rosguill talk 15:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft Michael Beil[edit]

Hi Rosguill,

I have discussed my previously rejected draft of an article about Michael Beil with the reviewer. It was not an easy process, but I think I managed to address all relevant issues with the article.

During that process, something rather disturbing happened. Michael Beil reached out to me to inform me that he has been contacted by a number of people via email, claiming to be Wikipedia editors and offering him help to get 'his' page published. I read the page about this type of scam and I will report the emails. I wanted to let you know as well.

Best RDiependaele (talk) 19:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lambanilakyanaik[edit]

Hi, Rosguill. Thanks for giving Lambanilakyanaik a CT alert and a warning that they need to reply about COI/UPE. I don't know if you're aware of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ramaprabha1? I actually think L is pretty ripe for an indef, whether or not they're a sock. The edit filter alone... But now that you've warned them, it may of course be as well to wait a bit. A CU is presumably also coming for them. Bishonen | tålk 19:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Bishonen, I was not familiar with the SPI or the prior account that they're suspected of being linked to; I wouldn't oppose an indef for general disruption/CIR at this time. signed, Rosguill talk 19:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bro[edit]

Okay dude you can stop merging my pages into other ones. Plenty of other airports have pages with that amount of info. Go work on the ones without pages

Jerik.mitchell (talk) 07:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jerik.mitchell, please see WP:OWN and WP:OSE. All pages are expected to meet notability guidelines in order to provide adequate context for readers. signed, Rosguill talk 14:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bro? ridiculous; till now, I was in the dilemma that Rosguill is a female administrator. My apologies, Rosguill, if I have ever used the wrong pronoun for you due to a misunderstanding in any of my past interactions with you. Regards. Maliner (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I note on my user page, my pronouns are they/them. signed, Rosguill talk 15:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I missed that. I have just noticed that you have knowledge of almost 15 languages. I see nowadays you are mostly dealing with South Asian sockpuppets. How about learning Hindi, Bangla, Urdu, and Nepali? a few days before I requested Usedtobecool to run for RfA as he is one of the sophisticated new page patrollers from Nepal who also hunts sockpuppets frequently. Regards Maliner (talk) 15:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to study Indian languages , we'll see when I can find time for it signed, Rosguill talk 15:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maliner, you're far too kind. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I used to read "Rosguill" as Rose-gul ("gul" being the word for flower in, I want to say, Urdu). And I used to think you were German, until you responded to my call for Spanish-speaking admins, which made me go back to check your userpage again. Seems "oh, they know German!" from my first visit somehow turned into "yeah, they're German" over time. I just googled Rosguill to find out it's an Irish peninsula, hah! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much @Usedtobecool. It is very nice to know that you are familiar with Urdu too. This will surely help you deal with abusive Pakistani sockpuppets too. I think you will be one of the great administrators from South Asia if you ever run. I am requesting Rosguill's opinion on this, as I have seen that their support at RFA is highly regarded, especially for the patroller candidates requesting for adminship. Maliner (talk) 06:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sudani[edit]

Hello Mr. Rosguill, Sudatel and Sudani aren't the same company; Sudatel is the parent company, and many companies are under it, and Sudani is one of them. So they shouldn't have been in the same article. Ibrahim Old (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Old, subsidiary companies are only given separate articles if they independently meet WP:NCORP. The most recent version of the article has no sources other than an article by the company itself, which falls far short of the NCORP guideline. signed, Rosguill talk 20:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I understand. But what if I added different sources? Will it be approved? Ibrahim Old (talk) 11:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if the sources are strong enough to meet the specifications laid out at WP:ORGCRITE (part of NCORP), yes. Meanwhile, if you can find some secondary coverage but still fall short of NCORP, it may be more appropriate to add information about Sudani as a subsection of the Sudatel article. signed, Rosguill talk 14:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rosguill,

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 20, 2024, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

For the Arbitration Committee,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ToBeFree, I was under the impression that ARBCOM does not consider the actions/evidence relating to az.wiki sysops to be in-scope for this case. Is that not the case? signed, Rosguill talk 20:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for asking, I'll forward this – but ArbCom's jurisdiction is limited to enwiki and the reason for including each party is based on their enwiki contributions, so I may need more details about why this could look as if it was in scope. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aah, I think I see what you mean now. One moment please. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't received a reply yet, but you're referring to Atakhanli and Wertuose. They haven't been named as parties, however, and the scope of the case is The intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy, in the frame of the conduct of the named parties. To my understanding, other users' behavior is not in this frame and thus out of scope. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a drafter I can confirm that those two editors conduct is currently outside of scope. With this case the committee has gotten a few other COI reports which are being worked on independently so if this would fall inside our scope, please do contact us. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lemontwigs1[edit]

How are you with an unblock on this one, per request on their talk page? Daniel Case (talk) 07:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Case, I think that the fan explanation is plausible enough. Might be good to remind them about notability guidelines before unblocking though. signed, Rosguill talk 14:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

174.233.17.11 - civility[edit]

Hi Rosguill, mind having a conversation with this IP about civility given there comments at User talk:BeanieFan11 (diff)? I don't think it's block worthy but me posting another note on their talk page will unlikely be helpful given I am dork (dorky Karen?) according to them. S0091 (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, Beanie made a report at ANI. S0091 (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like they got blocked before I saw any of this. signed, Rosguill talk 19:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, they didn't help themselves. Thanks anyway. S0091 (talk) 19:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Rosetta Barnstar
For translating so many pages! (I'm also impressed at your ability to sort through the AfD piles. Wow.) (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Klaudia Gawlas[edit]

Hello Rosguill, the redirect Klaudia Gawlas was deleted 4 December 2020. Before my draft Klaudia Gawlas is moved into the mainspace, I wan´t to make sure everything is alright, not to get a conflict with this deletion. Currently the draft is send for review, but will take to long (2 month). I´am sure she is relevant, but I do not know how to move the article into the mainspace. Any ideas or recommendations? Best regards and happy easter on this way. Stephan Tournay (talk) 15:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephan Tournay, at a quick glance everything looks to be in order. The prior deletion of a redirect at Klaudia Gawlas should not be an obstacle to an AfC reviewer promoting the draft, and it should receive a review in due time. The one thing you may want to do is to move the draft to Draft:Klaudia Gawlas, as that is the preferred location for AfC submissions. signed, Rosguill talk 15:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for your quick response and your opinion Rosguill. I moved now my article in preparation to Draft:Klaudia Gawlas. Brgds --Stephan Tournay (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sources are we actually missing here ? Best regards Migrant (talkcontribs) 19:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Migrant, citations to sources outside the ISU, which are necessary to establish notability. The most likely example to find would be newspaper coverage of the event, although books or peer-reviewed articles about the sport could theoretically include coverage as well. signed, Rosguill talk 13:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the medalvinner-list for all editions so far at isu.org
And here are some sources from the single events:
And here are some news-articles from Speedskating.ca/Speed Skating Canada: Search Results: "Four continents" - 36 Results Found
Would this be enough ? Best regards Migrant (talkcontribs) 19:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, these are databases and primary sources, which aren't the kind of sources that our notability guidelines specify. What we need is WP:SECONDARY text articles, published by outlets unaffiliated with ISU, ideally with several paragraphs of text describing in detail the Four Continents Championship and analyzing it. E.g., [6] provides such coverage of the 2023 World Athletics Championships – Men's 800 metres signed, Rosguill talk 20:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anyway we can protect this article per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? Numerous "new users" continue to disrupt this article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, battle prominently involving Armenian forces in a area with significant Armenian and Azerbaijani population seems to fit the bill. signed, Rosguill talk 13:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noahide redirect deletion[edit]

Hi, thanks for stepping in on the Noahide redirect. I don't understand what is meant by "it is a known scam that paid editors will claim affiliation with editors in a deletion discussion and extort money to "prevent the deletion" (which is not something within their power to do)." I have not received any emails from anyone. I suppose the other user who was pushing the Noahide thing as "Anabaptist" felt hurt when his edits were rejected. It seems there is a little group of "Noahide" people, relatively new (last decade or so?), who feel that they belong within the Anabaptist umbrella. That's okay if they feel that way, but until they become large enough to make at minimum a tiny ripple in a movement that includes literally a couple of million people, I have a hard time giving them much room for articles relating to Anabaptism. Mikeatnip (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My reading was that the other editor in the discussion was targeted by the scammers, who decided to claim to be you, hence the ping. signed, Rosguill talk 00:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if Wikipedia admins want to verify whether it was me, they can contact me privately and ask me whatever they want. I suppose for the recipient of the scams, it may add insult to injury if he feels that I tried to extort him, beyond just get the deletion. Sad world we live in, when people try to stir up trouble just for a few dollars. Mikeatnip (talk) 01:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, what exactly was the reason to suppress the redirect here? 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1234qwer1234qwer4, it seemed to be unnecessary, did I miss something useful about it? signed, Rosguill talk 14:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just figured because it was linked from the discussion it would have done no harm. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maphumor[edit]

User talk:Maphumor was reported to ANI “ @Maphumor has been culprit for removing various important things from the page and his past edits has also been criticized of the same. Also many new things have been removed in this page. Please revert the changes made by @maphumor and restore the page. Rkvaishnavp (talk) 7:55 am, Today (UTC+1)” I don’t know them but as you alerted them for the ipa area you may. Their talk page is discouraging. Doug Weller talk 12:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller I don't recall what prompted me to place that notification originally. It does look like the removal of the BJP candidate from the page is unjustified, and other editors have complained on the talk page already. I'm disinclined to respond to the AN post because of the various issues with the filing (wrong board, no notification, new account/likely sock) so I've just dropped in on the article talk page and pinged Maphumor to explain their edits. signed, Rosguill talk 13:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for this. Timewasting nuisances are driving me nuts right now. Doug Weller talk 13:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doug Weller, Maphumor continued to ignore requests to justify their edits at the Tamil Nadu election page while also avoiding further edits to that page, so I stepped in and reverted the contested edit. This nominally makes me ~~involved~~, since policy is hazy on how involvement relates to edits made on behalf of editors who are below the level of protection needed to edit a page who have made semi-formal requests, but I expect that if Maphumor attempts to edit war on that page it will clearly be the time for a block. signed, Rosguill talk 13:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the update. I'll try to keep on top of this. Doug Weller talk 13:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs cleanup[edit]

@Rosguill, please look at Ahir clans, Gwalavanshi and Dhadhor. Please remove unreliable raj era sourced information. 2409:4085:8D10:961F:0:0:8889:DB13 (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
you unbanned my account like a while ago but thanks for being the only one that listened to me :)
Isabpc (talk) 03:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cookiemonster1618[edit]

Hello Rosguill, User:Cookiemonster1618 continues to make similar personal attacks that led to a topic ban a few months ago despite previous warning. see his latest [7] previous warnings [8] [9] and ANI discussion [10] Magherbin (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I havent made any attacks I called you up to a discussion on Harari people but you never addressed my arguments. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How have I made personal attacks against you? I explained in the talk page for Harari people on why I reverted your edits and did not use any personal attacks in the discussion in fact I was calm and explained why I reverted your edit with reasoning. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain how I made personal attacks against you? At the talk page my language in the discussion box didn't include any personal attacks? Talk:Harari people Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So trying to removing the disambiguation link of the Habesha peoples page on the main Harari people page is not very honest of you could be construed as a mild personal attack; the edit doesn't need to be personalized as "not very honest of you" and could instead be referred to as "misleading" or "incorrect" without assigning blame. That having been said, I don't think this rises to the level of infraction that would motivate me to impose a sanction on the basis of a report at my talk page, unless it can be demonstrated that this is a consistent pattern despite prior warnings. The prior ANI discussion seems to mostly deal with questions of sourcing, not civility, and doesn't seem to establish a precedent of prior warning. signed, Rosguill talk 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You @Rosguill if that was a personal attack against @Magherbin than I take responsibility for that. That was not my intention though, my intention was to have a discussion with him/her on why they kept removing the Habesha peoples disambiguation link. This problem never occurred before because the Argobba people and Siltʼe people pages also had that disambiguation link. My intention was simply to argue on why the disambiguation link to that page should not be removed. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Btw there have been no warnings on my page from that user or any users regarding my recent edits after February 2024. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That discussion was closed because I was blocked for 2 months also in the discussion I still don't see any personal attacks that were used against you by me. I simply explained in a civil discussion on the talk page why I reverted your edit. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Service Corps of Retired Executives[edit]

Hello Rosguill, I would like to invite you to contribute to the discussion on Draft talk:Service Corps of Retired Executives Your learned input would be greatly appreciated. BuffaloBob (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logoic plane deletion[edit]

Hi, I'm wondering why Logoic plane was deleted. Jay 💬 05:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jay, I read the discussion as nom in favor of deletion, 1 clear !vote for deletion, and took your comment as no objection to deletion, as a circular redirect in a collapsed navigation template is typically a poor justification for a redirect. If I misinterpreted your comment and you feel strongly about the discussion I can restore and relist. signed, Rosguill talk 12:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. No strong feelings about this. I was only countering the nomination statement regarding no mention at target. Jay 💬 15:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AXN Movies (Portugal)[edit]

Hi @Rosguill I saw you added notability tag to the page AXN Movies (Portugal), saying that that page "needs sources other than AXN and PR"- I would like to ask: What does PR mean? I am a Wikipedia user for only two months, what can I do for keep that page intact? Filippo.g204 (talk) Filippo.g204 (talk) 09:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Filippo.g204, PR refers to public relations and/or press release; in particular I think I was thinking about this source, which has a collective byline in addition to lacking any substantive analysis of the subject beyond basic description. These sorts of sources are essentially just promotional text written by the subject and are not reliable. signed, Rosguill talk 12:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-)[edit]

Hey Rosguill, could you reopen and/or reclose Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#-) possibly? (I meant to respond to Jeske there.) There was really no reason for -/ and -\ to target different targets, and Emoticon counter to the other consensuses to point these generally at the list of emoticons, I have no idea why this would be different. The !keep votes seem to be more in line with "don't delete" and not people actually supporting the status quo. Let me know your thoughts on this, cheers, Utopes (talk / cont) 07:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In hindsight I don't really care too much, the biggest thing I was hoping for was "consensus that one article is preferable" and that didn't come about, which I feel is a pretty agreeable stance and it'd be nice to have that reflected officially, perhaps. (I know it was relisted twice with no other comments, but if reopened I'd at least like to alert Jeske to the difference in targets and see whether they'd hold their stance after the fact). Utopes (talk / cont) 07:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Utopes: I read this a few times and could not understand. Perhaps it is the .. and Emoticon counter ... that is throwing me off. What is the concern with the close? Did you prefer targeting both to Emoticon? Jay 💬 08:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The outcome of "emoticon status quo" runs counter to the other similar closes that retargeted to the general list. As a disclaimer, I don't personally have a preference one way or another between the two targets, but I was surprised to see some emoticons go one way and others go another with little rationale.
I was hoping to use the basis of these results as a precedent for retargeting a major list of redirects from emoticons. At the time I wasn't completely sure whether certain types of emoticons have a stronger affinity towards aiming at Emoticon vs aiming at List of emoticons, which is why I was hoping to figure that out through these discussions (i.e., maybe east-asian style have better coverage at page A, whereas smileys are more preferable at page B, was my original thought when I saw the discrepancies in targets.) A lot ended up closing towards List of emoticons, but the split outcome was not the most satisfactory ending for the situation. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ignore my comment. I was looking at the wrong RfD - WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#'). I agree that the RfD you mentioned can be relisted unless Rosguill has discounted Lunamann's revote from Keep to Retarget. Jay 💬 08:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Utopes, you have my permission to reopen the discussion--I would do it myself but I'm hurrying out the door and expect to be very busy the next few days. signed, Rosguill talk 13:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]