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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of NASCAR race wins by Jeff Gordon[edit]

List of NASCAR race wins by Jeff Gordon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mondit created the article, while I cleaned it up a bit, added a lead, and cited all the wins through ESPN's website. Tried to model this after the Featured Lists of List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Michael Schumacher and List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna. All feedback is welcome. This is my first FLC so forgive me if I have a couple of questions along the way. Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jackdude101
  • One of the first things I noticed was that none of your references have archive links. I don't think it's a requirement to get an article upgraded to featured status, but if the websites that you are referencing go down in the future, or if the website admins rearrange the website's content and put the relevant data in a different place, it could lead to a lot of dead links, which could lead to an article's featured status being revoked. This could be an especially significant problem if the ESPN website, from which most of your references originate, rearranges its data. Archive links in your references will prevent this from happening, as it will "freeze" your reference the way it was when you retrieved it. In case you don't know, creating archive links is super easy. Just copy the url and paste it into archive.org/web, then copy the new archive link it spits out and include it in your reference using "|archiveurl=" and "|archivedate=". Other that that, your article looks good overall. Jackdude101 (Talk) 00:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jackdude101: Thanks! I am familiar with this process and will take your suggestions into consideration. ESPN still has articles from over a decade ago that still have workable links, but it's certainly something I'll keep an eye on. Of course, many websites have these race results available; I just used ESPN to be consistent with the other two featured lists. Thanks! --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – The vast majority of the references are now archived. Great work! Jackdude101 (Talk) 13:19, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I would start by introducing Gordon's start of his career, before hitting us immediately with four titles. I would say he raced NASCAR between X and Y, winning four championships.
  • I would also promote the total number of wins in the lead to the first paragraph.
  • " October 20, 1990 at " comma after 1990.
  • You could add the season as a row-spanned item in the table so it's clear which races came in which seasons (I know the year can do that, but it'd be nicer to see it up front).
  • As the list is sortable, you need to link every linkable item every time, e.g. the tracks and locations which have articles need to be linked each instance.
  • Hmm... I've been told in the past that this is WP:OVERLINK; is this an FL-specific requirement? Again, I'm flexible so no worries, but I just wanted to check first. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you've been told that about a sortable list, you've been misinformed. If you can sort a list by anything other than its default order, you cannot guarantee that the linked item will be at the top, so all linked items in sortable tables should be linked each time. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Gordon in victory lane " isn't that "the victory lane"? Twice?
  • Make the ref col unsortable.
  • Done? I think I know what you meant but let me know if you meant something else. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid SHOUTING in the references.
  • This is currently an orphan, it needs to be linked from other articles.

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for the review. I'll take your comments into consideration later tonight. Also, in NASCAR, "victory lane" is generally referred to as such, the place where the winner goes to celebrate his victory. If you insist, however, I have no problem changing it. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
it was the grammar, I just think it should say "in the victory lane". The Rambling Man (talk) 13:49, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification: I meant it is almost never referred to in that way. The television announcers will always say something like, "Let's go down to victory lane to see Jeff Gordon celebrate his win." Victory lane is a place. Saying, "Gordon celebrates in the victory lane" would be like me saying, "I live in the Delaware." That is what I was trying to convey; I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Again, if you insist, I won't let it stand in the way. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, well in that case, it should be "Victory Lane" and not "victory lane". It's a proper noun in this situation, so it should be capitalised. That would avoid any confusion. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, look at this: NASCAR Victory Lane is an article, not a good one, but it explains what you assumed we'd know and what I'd never heard of! Perhaps worth linking, and observing the italics if that's actually correct... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, that's the TV show on FS1 named after the term. Not sure linking it here would be appropriate though, since the article is about a TV series rather than the term itself.
Ok, but it looks odd unless "Victory Lane" is capitalised, it looks like it's missing "the". The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have capitalized it in the captions. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 20:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I've had some unexpected schoolwork come up so it may take me longer than I at first expected to get to this. I also have an FAC that needs some more attention right now as well as a GAN that's about to go under review. I (think!) I can handle all of this but please be patient with me. Thanks again! --Bcschneider53 (talk) 23:14, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment he won 11 poles when he still wasn't full time? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He was full time in the Busch Series that year...also should it be "full time" or "full-time"? --Bcschneider53 (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: I believe everything has been resolved. Let me know of any outstanding issues if you come across them. Cheers, --Bcschneider53 (talk) 21:57, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note to any potential reviewers: I will be on vacation from April 15-24 and will likely be unable to respond to comments until I return. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Hopefully you're not on vacation yet so you can have a look at these:

  • "Gordon won at least one pole in 23 consecutive seasons, making this a NASCAR record." The "making this" is wordiness that doesn't add anything to the sentence, so you can just cut it to make the writing tighter.
  • Sprint Cup Series: A comma would be useful before "leaving Kentucky Speedway the only track where he failed to win." Giants2008 (Talk) 01:22, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Those were the only issues I had with the list. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:04, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias
;Comments from Harrias talk
  • "went on to win it in the 1997 series, the 1998 series, and the 2001 series as well." The repetition of "series" is unnecessary: shorten to "went on to win it in 1997, 1998 and 2001 as well."
  • Changed "He currently ranks third..." to "As of 2017, he ranks third..."
  • Race 64 sorts wrong by date, presumably because of the two dates.
  • I'd recommend using "format=md" rather than "format=mdy", as at the moment the year is displayed in both the Date and the Season column, which is unnecessarily repetitive. It would also look better if the seasons were merged, as done in List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna.
  • Similarly, pipe the name of the race to remove the year.
  • Make the References column unsortable.
  • Support Great work, I don't have any more issues. Harrias talk 10:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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