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Steve McQueen filmography[edit]

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Nominator(s):  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 12:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Who does not know "The King of Cool"? Steve McQueen was probably one of the most badass personalities to have ever walked this Earth. He enjoyed a success like no other actor could have. From making it on the small screen to becoming the highest paid actor in the world, he's seen it all. His body of work encompasses 20-odd films. He was in the industry for 27 years. Constructive comments are most welcome.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 12:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "McQueen played an uncredited role as Fidel" --> He played an uncredited role of Fidel.
  • I'm just concerned with the lead's size. Try trimming it down a bit.

Rest is fine. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: I have hopefully resolved your comments. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Yashthepunisher: Thank you, Yash. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from BeatlesLedTV
  • In the lead, "winning McQueen the Best Actor at the Moscow" → removed "the" or change to "the award for Best Actor"
  • You gotta fix both sorting issues for films that begin with "The" in both tables
  • "Ref(s)" → "Ref." in television table. Only 1 ref per show.
  • Center the year columns. I know it's a lot of coding; if you don't want to I can for you.
  • Add a space between last two sentences in lead.

That's all i got. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BeatlesLedTV: I have hopefully resolved your comments. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:33, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@BeatlesLedTV: Thank you, BeatlesLedTV. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Dr. Blofeld

I think the prose could still do with smartening up before this is promoted. It's a bit repetitive in places. Also given that he was supposed to have been the highest paid actor at one point, it's not clear how he would have gone bankrupt for Le Mans unless he was producing it and putting up most of the funding. I'll try to look more into this later.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: Now that you mention it, McQueen's production company, Solar productions, was a shareholder in Le Mans. After the film's lacklustre performance, he was, in his biographer Terrill's words, "slapped with a $2 million back tax from IRS". Plus the filming and post-production work was extraneous. He had to fold up his company to get the money to pay the IRS tax.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think a footnote might help?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr. Blofeld: You just read my mind!  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've given the prose a copyedit and am content with it now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:40, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr. Blofeld: Thank you so much, Doc. Your thoughts, contributions, and comments are deeply and greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 18:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47

I will be focusing my review on the lead so my comments are completely focused on prose and will not address anything relating to source use or reliability:

  • In this phrase (McQueen's screen persona was that of portraying cool, reticent anti-hero roles), I would add a link for anti-hero.
  • I would change this part (played an uncredited role of Fidel) to (played the uncredited role Fidel).
  • The following two sentences seem to repeat the same information (n 1960, McQueen achieved stardom when he co-starred alongside Yul Brynner in Sturges' western, The Magnificent Seven. Based on Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, it helped McQueen establish himself as a star in Hollywood). Both sentences repeat that the film established McQueen as a star and you can edit this information down. The only real new information in the second sentence is that the film was based on Seven Samurai.
  • I would spell out the acronym POW on its first use.
  • I would change this following phrase (a shot of Hilts riding a motorcycle jumps a series of barbed-wire fences) to (a shot of Hilts riding a motorcycle and jumping a series of barbed-wire fences). The current sentence construction is not correctly formed.
  • Please clarify the year in which Love with the Proper Stranger was released.
  • For this sentence (The film was a critical and commercial disappointment, rendering him almost bankrupt.), I would make it clear how the film’s poor critical and commercial performance led him to become bankrupt.

Great work with this list. Once my comments are completed, then I will support this for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any help with my current FAC? Either way, have a great rest of your day and wonderful job with all of your recent FLCs. Aoba47 (talk) 16:17, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: I have resolved your comments save the last one, which is exactly what Dr. Blofeld also enquired about.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47: Fixed the last one too, Aoba. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your responses. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:17, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47: Thank you, Aoba47. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:25, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Just one question: is it right to sort An Enemy of the People on "An", rather than "Enemy"? - SchroCat (talk) 09:07, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@SchroCat: Sorted to Enemy now.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@SchroCat: Thank you, SchroCat. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Jimknut (talk) 17:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Jimknut

Intro

  • "After appearing in an uncredited role in the crime drama Girl on the Run (1953), McQueen made his film debut in 1956 with Somebody Up There Likes Me" – This doesn't make sense. He could he have made his film debut AFTER appearing in an earlier film?
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • " After a series of unsuccessful films for the next two years, McQueen teamed up with Sturges again in the war drama, The Great Escape (1963), where he played Virgil Hilts, a World War II prisoner of war who along with fellow Allied POWs, make an escape from a high security prisoner of war camp. It emerged as one of the highest grossing films of the year, winning McQueen the award for Best Actor at the Moscow International Film Festival for his role of Hilts." – You've already told us that he played Hilts so there's no reason to tell us again.
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Films

  • The names of the films sort correctly but the names of McQueen's roles and directors do not.
@Jimknut: I have sorted the directors and roles by last name (except for those role that have single names). Do have a look at the article and let me know if there is anything that needs to be rectified. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Televison

  • Alfred Hitchcock Presents is listed twice, which is fine since McQueen appeared in two different episodes. Why, then, don't you do the same for Westinghouse Studio One and Trackdown?
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the notes for Westinghouse Studio One the word "episodes" is misspelled.
Done. Reworded.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you're going to link the "Man From the South" episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents then link it to the "Television apaptations" section of that article.
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  • Notes b and d are totally unnecessary.
I have removed note b but I feel note d is necessary so as to distinguish the dual roles from the single role characters he played. Readers who might be unfamiliar with McQueen's work (unlikely IMO, but you never know) might get the feeling that it is a single character having two or more different names.
This comment seems contradictory to your previous one "Alfred Hitchcock Presents is listed twice, which is fine since McQueen appeared in two different episodes. Why, then, don't you do the same for Westinghouse Studio One and Trackdown?" because if I have resolved this comment, then there is no need for notes c and e to be present. Hence I have removed them.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  • Ref 2: " "The Case For Steve Mcqueen, Icon" – McQueen is misspelled
Done. Reworded.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 34: "Papillon" is misspelled.
Done. Reworded.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 46: Only one set of quotation marks is needed around the article's title. Jimknut (talk) 02:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Removed quotation marks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Two extra comments:

  • "In 1958, he appeared in the science fiction film The Blob, which was incidentally his first film as a lead actor" – The "which was incidentally" part seems superfluous. Couldn't you just say "his first film as a lead actor"?
  • For the notes column of the filmography you could mention that in The Blob McQueen was billed as "Steven" rather than "Steve". The film, of course, is readily available on DVD and blu-ray so you could either as your source of information. I leave it up to you. Jimknut (talk) 17:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jimknut: I have resolved both your comments, Jimknut. Terrill mentions McQueen being credited as "Steven" in The Blob (same page no. 430). Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Looks good. Jimknut (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimknut: Thank you, Jimknut. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion: Thank you, Hameltion. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:36, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "1958–61" -> "1958–1961"
  • Consider inflating the box office takings to modern values for context on just how popular it was...
@The Rambling Man: Don't know how to inflate for US Dollars (did that for Indian Rupees using INRConvert template). Is there any template like that here for inflation?  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Put POW after the first use of "prisoner of war" and then use it for POW camp. Or if you don't do that, at least hyphenate "prisoner-of-war camp".
  • " Henrietta Award for World Film Favorite " is this relevant if it's not even notable enough for a Wikipedia article?

Otherwise, neat work. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The rest have been resolved.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Does {{Inflation}} work? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:34, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Yes. Does it look alright now?  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support good work, just needs a quick source review and then it's good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Thank you, TRM. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. Giants2008, would you care to do the honours?  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Slightlymad[edit]

Just one concern, really: TV.com is actually a user-generated database, which WP:UGC warns editors generally not to use as a source. Please change 'em with a reliable, high-quality source. Otherwise, great list. Slightlymad 06:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Slightlymad: I have resolved your comment, Slightlymad. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 12:20, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you can't support his appearance in The West Point Story with a source? I really think McQueen appeared in that show. It's just a shame, it could impact the "comprehensive" criteria of this list. Is it not chronicled on any of those books in bibliography? Slightlymad 13:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Slightlymad: I have now added a source to it in this manner: "The West Point Story, Episode 23 - Ambush. The West Point Story. New York City. 8 March 1957." This format is safe to use.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:46, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. I shall leave that wee bit matter to the source reviewer. I give you my support. Slightlymad 14:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Slightlymad: Thank you, Slightlymad. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:51, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – The sources all appear to be reliable enough, and the link-checker shows no problems. There are a couple of small formatting issues I see. First, the second link in ref 2 has "LIFE" in improper all caps. Second, refs 46 and 56 are from print publications, so the publishers should be italicized. Spot-checks of refs 41, 59, and 67 show one minor verifiability issue: ref 67 shows that episode title as being "Human Interest Story", not "The Human Interest Story". Our episode list on the show goes with the TV Guide title, for what it's worth. Overall, this list is a few small tweaks away from passing the source review. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: Hopefully, I have resolved your comments, Giants2008. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 12:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
With the fixes made, I see no further issues with the sources. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Thank you, Giants2008. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 17:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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