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Good article reassessment

Good article reassessment (GAR) is a process used to review and improve good articles (GAs) that may no longer meet the good article criteria (GACR). GAs are held to the current standards regardless of when they were promoted. All users are welcome to contribute to the process, regardless of whether they were involved with the initial nomination. Editors should prioritize bringing an article up to standard above delisting. Reassessments are listed for discussion below and are concluded according to consensus. The GAR Coordinators — Lee Vilenski, Iazyges, Chipmunkdavis, and Trainsandotherthings — work to organize these efforts, as well as to resolve contentious reviews. To quickly bring issues to their notice, or make a query, use the {{@GAR}} notification template, or make a comment on the talk page.

Good article reassessment is not a peer review process; for that use peer review. Content disputes on GAs should be resolved through normal dispute resolution processes. Good article reassessment only assesses whether the article meets the six good article criteria. Many common problems (including not meeting the general notability guideline, the presence of dead URLs, inconsistently formatted citations, and compliance with all aspects of the Manual of Style) are not covered by the GA criteria and therefore are not grounds for delisting. Instability in itself is not a reason to delist an article. Potential candidates for reassessment can be found on the cleanup listing. Delisted good articles can be renominated as good articles if editors believe they have resolved the issues that led to the delist.

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Good article reassessment instructions

Before opening a reassessment

  1. Consider whether the article meets the good article criteria.
  2. Check that the article is stable. Requesting reassessment during a content dispute or edit war is usually inappropriate.
  3. Consider raising issues at the talk page of the article or requesting assistance from major contributors.
  4. If there are many similar articles already nominated at GAR, consider delaying the reassessment request. If an editor notices that many similar GARs are open and requests a hold, such requests should generally be granted.

Opening a reassessment

  1. To open a good article reassessment, use the GAR-helper script on the article. Detail your reasons for reassessing the article and submit. Your rationale must specify how you believe the article does not meet the good article criteria. GARs whose rationale does not include the GACR may be speedily closed.
  2. The user script does not notify major contributors or relevant WikiProjects. Notify these manually. You may use {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|page=n}} ~~~~ to do so, replacing ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the number of the reassessment page (1 if this is the first reassessment
  3. Consider commenting on another reassessment (or several) to help with any backlog.
Manual opening steps
  1. Paste {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page. Do not place it inside another template. Save the page.
  2. Follow the bold link in the template to create a reassessment page.
  3. Detail your reasons for reassessing the article and save the page. Your rationale must specify how you believe the article does not meet the good article criteria. GARs whose rationale does not include the GACR may be speedily closed.
  4. The page will automatically be transcluded to this page via a bot, so there is no need to add it here manually.
  5. Transclude the assessment on the article talk page as follows: Edit the article talk page and paste {{Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/''ArticleName''/''n''}} at the bottom of the page. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created. This will display a new section named "GA Reassessment" followed by the individual reassessment discussion.
  6. Notify major contributing editors, including the nominator and the reviewer. Also consider notifying relevant active WikiProjects related to the article. The {{GARMessage}} template may be used for notifications by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|GARpage=n}} ~~~~ on user talk pages. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.

Reassessment process

  1. Editors should discuss the article's issues with reference to the good article criteria, and work cooperatively to resolve them.
  2. The priority should be to improve articles and retain them as GAs rather than to delist them, wherever reasonably possible.
  3. If discussion has stalled and there is no obvious consensus, uninvolved editors are strongly encouraged to add a new comment rather than closing the discussion.
  4. If discussion becomes contentious, participants may request the assistance of GAR coordinators at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. The coordinators may attempt to steer the discussion towards resolution or make a decisive close.

Closing a reassessment

To close a discussion, use the GANReviewTool script on the reassessment page of the article and explain the outcome of the discussion (whether there was consensus and what action was taken).

  1. GARs typically remain open for at least one week.
  2. Anyone may close a GAR, although discussions which have become controversial should be left for closure by experienced users or GAR coordinators.
  3. If a clear consensus develops among participants that the issues have been resolved and the article meets GACR, the reassessment may be closed as keep at any time.
  4. After at least one week, if the article's issues are unresolved and there are no objections to delisting, the discussion may be closed as delist. Reassessments should not be closed as delist while editors are making good-faith improvements to the article.
    • If there have been no responses to the reassessment and no improvements to the article, the editor who opened the reassessment may presume a silent consensus and close as delist.
Manual closing steps
  1. Locate {{GAR/current}} at the the reassessment page of the article. Replace it with {{subst:GAR/result|result=outcome}} ~~~~. Replace outcome with the outcome of the discussion (whether there was consensus and what action was taken) and explain how the consensus and action was determined from the comments. A bot will remove the assessment from the GA reassessment page.
  2. The article either meets or does not meet the good article criteria:
    • If the article now meets the criteria, you can keep the article listed as GA. To do this:
      • remove the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page
      • remove the {{GAR request}} template from the article talk page, if present
      • add or update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page (example)
    • If the article still does not meet the criteria, you can delist it. To do this,
      • remove the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page
      • remove the {{GAR request}} template from the article talk page, if present
      • add or update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page, setting currentstatus to DGA (delisted good article). (example)
      • blank the class parameter of the WikiProject templates on talk, or replace it with a new assessment
      • remove the {{good article}} template from the article page (example)
      • remove the article from the relevant list at good articles (example)
  3. Add the GAR to the most recent GAR archive page. (example)

Disputing a reassessment

  1. A GAR closure should only be contested if the closure was obviously against consensus or otherwise procedurally incorrect. A closure should only be disputed within the first seven days following the close.
  2. Before disputing a GAR closure, first discuss your concerns with the closing editor on their talk page.
  3. If discussing does not resolve concerns, editors should post at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations and ask for review from uninvolved editors and the coordinators.

Articles needing possible reassessment

The Good articles listed below would benefit from the attention of reviewers as to whether they need to be reassessed. In cases where they do, please open a community reassessment and remove the {{GAR request}} template from the article talk page. In cases where they do not, remove the template from the article talk page.

The intention is to keep the above list empty most of the time. If an article is currently a featured article candidate, please do not open a reassessment until the FAC has been closed.

Articles listed for reassessment

Llullaillaco

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Result pending

This is another of my previous good articles which has just received a large rewrite and expansion, pending a nomination to featured article candidacies. I'd like to check that the current form does still satisfy the GA criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


SM UB-14

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Result pending

This article relies heavily on Uboat.net, an WP:SPS enthusiast website. Schierbecker (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Organization of the Luftwaffe (1933–1945)

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This article needs additional citations. 24 citation needed tags. Schierbecker (talk) 20:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


All-China Women's Federation

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Result pending

Multiple uncited paragraphs and the history section gives minimal post-1994 information. Z1720 (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Glenn Robinson III

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This article was promoted back in 2012-2013, and while it met the standard at that time, in the meantime Robinson has essentially played his entire professional career. As a result, the article has atrophied, with 2018 onward in particular being sorely lacking in depth and the personal life section turning into a mess. The lead as well needs a complete rewrite. Wizardman 13:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Northallerton

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This 2008 GA promotion has become out of date in many sections. The demographics section is still dependent on the 2001 census, and other out-of-date content is present as well, such as It was due to close in spring 2008, as the building which opened in 1877 is not up to modern standards. However, the move has been delayed due to lack of space at the Friarage sourced to an article from 2008, or housing prices also from 2008. In addition, uncited text has crept in over the years, including material such as Hambleton Seals Water Polo are a newly formed team which aims to attract local children to a quite small, yet fun sport. that is not in an encyclopedic tone. Hog Farm Talk 02:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This GAR had originally been closed as delist by Real4jyy, who seems to have not checked the article history, where there is evidence of significant improvement. As Real4jyy is only online once a week, it appears, I have reopened this GAR. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Military of Mycenaean Greece

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Result pending

Widespread poor source use in this article, including the use of likely unreliable sources, text not being supported by their cited sources, and direct plagiarism, thus failing to meet GA2. (Thanks to Botterweg14 for noticing.) CMD (talk) 04:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist unless someone volunteers to rewrite the article from the ground up. While we shouldn't necessarily trust every scholar ragging on other scholars, the linked article on the talk page in Ancient History calling the book that is the article's main source "garbage" and written by non-scholars is rather damning. Even setting aside plagiarism / close paraphrasing, unreliable sources is a deal-killer. SnowFire (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding to this, I have a strong suspicion that some of the remaining text is plagiarized from the Osprey book. So fixing the article will require much more than simply checking the information against higher quality sources. Botterweg14 (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Omameh

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TonyTheTiger is citing the status of this article as a GA to justify submitting subpar GANs like Talk:Heath Irwin/GA1 and Talk:Michael Schofield (American football)/GA1. However, it's clearly not at GA status today. It was perhaps a defensible promotion back in 2013, before Omameh's football had progressed. But it's far short of the GAC in 2024. His professional career is inadequately summarised in choppy prose – tiny sections detail little more than the dates he signed for and left his various teams. – Teratix 02:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment at the moment, the article violates MOS:OVERSECTION; that is easily fixed, but a quick couple of searches on newspapers.com and Google shows that there has been large amounts of coverage on Omameh's professional career, especially in its early years, which the article eschews in favour of endless statistics and all-star team inclusions. Thus, the article does not meet GA criterion 3a) as it stands. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace

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A 2009 GA that currently has numerous citation needed tags, too many quotations, and a tag stating so in critical reassessment. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 16:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, there. Igordebraga (talk · contribs) and I are fixing up the citation errors (including the dead ones) and maintenance tags where needed. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect thank you! – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald M. George

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This 2011 GA has some unsourced statements and prose issues (MOS:EDITORIAL, etc.) Additionally, this article may not be up to date (the latest information in the article was in 2013) and may also fail the broadness criteria (the article is quite sparse despite his roles). Spinixster (chat!) 11:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why I was pinged on this, as I have not edited this article, except that I am part of a related WikiProject. That said, the most recent edits appear to be from last year, and it makes sense that the most recent information is from 2013, as that is when the subject's public life basically ended. As for matters of copy editing and unverified content, this sounds like stuff that can be easily fixed. I hope I am not the only WikiProject member who was notified, so that way these issues can be resolved.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 15:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You were pinged because you were the GA reviewer in 2011, RightCowLeftCoast. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. That was so long ago. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 14:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doing a word search for MOS:EDITORIAL, my word search didn't find any of those. The closest is notable cases sub-section header. I think it's fine to mention the cases as part of the subject's judicial history. Why those, I don't know why the article creator chose those specifically, but the content is verified to reliable sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 14:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AMC AMX III

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This 2021 listing contains poor sources and poor sourcing, extremely poor grammar - specifically in the “History of development” - and this page was completely copied from the German Wikipedia version, which is an “excellent article” on that site, but we know that what classifies as “good” on that site is a lot softer than the English WP. This page obviously did not undergo a thorough review, and will need a heavy copy and sourcing edit.  750h+ | Talk  10:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I reviewed this article, I checked each individual reference that was cited, both to verify the claim and to assess its reliability as a source. If you don't like the refs, that is one thing, but to say it "obviously did not undergo a thorough review" is not true. I am given to understand that there was some attribution issue with this article's translation -- but this is easy to fix by noting the attribution in the edit history, and does really seem relevant otherwise. jp×g🗯️ 10:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Copying and pasting one of the paragraphs from the article: “The decision to outsource the development and production of the AMX/3 to European operations was made for financial reasons. Management hoped to keep production and sales prices low in this way. Series production was to be undertaken by the German coachbuilder Karmann, who, in Rheine, had been assembling AMC Javelins destined for Europe since 1968 from disassembled parts kits.The schematics called for increasing production of the AMX/3 to 1,000, after an initial run of 24 cars, and according to other sources, as many as 5,000 annually. They would be marketed in the US and Europe. Other sources suggest that AMC initially targeted building 5,000 cars annually and later reduced this to 24 cars yearly. The estimated retail price was to be US$10,000 to $12,000 . Although not in the same category, this was about three times that of a contemporary mass-market Ford Mustang base model. A more equivalent two-seat mid-engine GT car, a Ferrari 365 GTB/4 "Daytona" was offered for US$19,900 [33]” is an example of bad punctuation and grammar. I’ve checked a few of the sources throughout the article too, and they do not verify what is being said. “In the autumn of 1968”; considering this page was almost entirely copied from the German Wikipedia, how are we supposed to know what it’s talking about? No offence, but I highly doubt you did a thorough review of each and every one of the 104 sources in the article.
Also, I realised this article did undergo a featured article candidacy. A comment by Buidhe states, “Referencing needs a lot of work, both in terms of formatting and use of unreliable sources/OR with various self-published websites and photographs of cars all being cited to support text.” which I 100 per cent agree with. Another comment by a coordinator says “as well as Buidhe's concerns, I note some statements that are not cited at all, and others that editorialise, e.g. "What is certain is that in the summer of 1970 AMC..." So as well as improving sourcing, a good copyedit is probably in order, it might also remove seasonal references like the one in this statement. After that I'd recommend trying peer review before considering a re-nom at FAC.” IMO, some questionable references include The Truth About Cars, amx3.org, the Ultimate Car Page, Supercars.net, Sports Car Market, drivetribe.com (dead link), www.amx390.com, among others. This would be a quick fail if I were the reviewer.
In all, referencing needs heavy work, some unverifiable text may have to be deleted, and prose could use come copyediting too-but this could easily be fixed, as you mentioned. If you do plan to fix up the page, as CZmarlin is currently doing, you’re going to need an experienced editor/reviewer to come check the page for verification-every source.  750h+ | Talk  06:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fortress of Klis

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Significant amount of the article, including almost the entire "Importance" section is uncited. Z1720 (talk) 01:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720 it looks like most of this "Importance" section is uncited because it was in the lead section, as it had been added in edits like [1] or [2] decades ago, but was then broken out in this unexplained edit in 2013, by an account that was later indefinitely blocked for other abuse (I found this using the "Who Wrote That?" extension). Maybe the logic of that needs to be reassessed first. --Joy (talk) 15:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've re-integrated the old lede into the lede and edited it mildly for concision. The nomination does not appear to be correct that a "significant amount of the article is uncited" - can you clarify where exactly these uncited parts are, if you're standing by that?
  • While I'm not sure if it's GAR-worthy, the prose is not particularly tight, and it seems to have some Croatian nationalist vibes in parts (which I'm sure is in the sources, but it doesn't mean that has to be transmitted here - I removed a "Turkish menace" for example). I'd argue that would be a more productive area to examine and spruce up in this. SnowFire (talk) 06:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One thing I noticed as well was the quality of the supporting materials - I swapped out the top image immediately. The laundry list of historical years in the infobox also doesn't strike me as well documented or a good use of screen-estate. --Joy (talk) 10:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I noticed now that @Edgars2007 noticed this in 2015 (!). I've moved it around a bit, is this better? --Joy (talk) 12:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks to SnowFire's recent edit, I had a look at one of the main sources, the municipality's history page:
  • Listeš, Srećko. "Povijest Klisa". klis.hr (in Croatian). Službene stranice Općine Klis. Archived from the original on 2011-07-21. Retrieved 2010-05-16.
This archive link implies that the text was taken from a 1998 book called Klis: prošlost, toponimi, govor published by an NGO called Croatian society Trpimir Klis. It would be better to get this referenced to the actual work, which seems to be ISBN 953-96751-3-8, with page numbers.
At the same time, the current website's history link goes to this:
--Joy (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geert Wilders

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Result pending

The article was nominated for GA in 2009. Since then a lot has changed, which has led to a lower quality article. After 2010 the article contains no coherent story, but rather incidents. Biographies of him are not used, but only articles about these incidents. The article is focused too much on international initiatives and travel bans, while leaving out many important things on the national stage. Party election results are often mentioned, but rarely linked directly to the person of Geert Wilders. Alltogether I believe it does not meet criteria 1, 3 and given recent national developments also not 5. Dajasj (talk) 08:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Pomeranian dog

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I've had to rewrite the health section due to sourcing being unreliable and I've removed other citations due to being unreliable. Other issues include uncited claims (and not just ones where I've had to remove an unreliable source), too much weight being given to a particular colour of Pomeranian dog (merle), a guidebook style paragraph (that I've removed), a very large gallery (should be inserted into the article naturally and some images should be removed as they're pretty much duplicates in terms of encyclopaedic/knowledge value), a US focused popularity section that delves far too much into the popularity of the breed in specific cities, and anthropomorphism of dog behaviour. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Ryan Lochte

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A 13-year-old GA that has quite a bit of unsourced content and a lead that is way too long. It was promoted 5 years before Lochte's 2016 Olympics scandal and has clearly not undergone a copyedit since. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 21:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Arrested Development

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Seasons four and five, which premiered after this became a GA, are not meaningfully covered Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist. Fails criterion 5b "it addresses the main aspects of the topic". Not in the worst shape though; it could probably be kept as a GA with the right attention. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not just the plot summary. A lot of the article is frozen in time. Production is about the production of seasons 1-3 with one paragraph tacked on to the end just mentioning that seasons 4 and 5 exist. Characters and reception don't acknowledge that they exist at all. Right now the article looks like it was written in 2012 and then a few season 4/5 details were added on after the fact, which is exactly what happened. If I were reviewing the article at GAN, I would also take issue with the "controversies" section, giving undue coverage to certain events during production solely because they are controversies. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Shanghai fire

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  • Fails criterion 2: This article has multiple citation needed tags, and all sources are contemporary to the event (WP:PRIMARY).
  • Fails criterion 3: The article is completely absent of any retrospective coverage or analysis after the sequence of events itself.

It's worth noting that its 2011 promotion was a quickpass that would not meet today's standards. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


2008 Jerusalem bulldozer attack

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  • Fails criterion 2c: The article is overwhelmingly sourced by primary sources, which is an original research issue per WP:PRIMARY.
  • Fails criterion 3a: The article provides little coverage outside of news-style reporting of the actions involved. No meaningful analysis or study is covered.
  • Fails criterion 3b: The little content outside of that is a list of tangentially related events that go out of scope Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
re 2c: Your interpretation of 'primary sources' is kind of a stretch here - Everything is properly sourced to reputable news sources, the majority of which could not be considered "breaking news" as it wasn't even published on day of the attack.
re 3a, 3b: Not to be rude, but you're making up criteria here. 3a states that "it [the article] addresses the main aspects of the topic" (which it does), and 3b "stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail", kind of the opposite of what you're implying here. Rami R 11:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thebiguglyalien, have you seen the above from Rami R? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have. I felt that no response was warranted to the claim that new information cannot be primary after something had been ongoing for more than 24 hours. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • News sources are secondary sources. So primary sources is not really the correct complaint here. Are there any secondary sources you think should be consulted? I did a Google search + Google Books search, and saw almost entirely 2008 articles coming back from Google, and nothing substantive on GBooks (references the attack happened, mostly, not in-depth dives). It's not great to be mostly sourced to at-the-time coverage, but if that's all that exists, then that's all we have. (But if something else can be found...) SnowFire (talk) 06:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:PRIMARY: For Wikipedia's purposes, breaking news stories are also considered to be primary sources.
    • WP:RSBREAKING: When editing a current-event article, keep in mind the tendency towards recentism bias. Claims sourced to initial news reports should be immediately replaced with better-researched and verified sources as soon as such articles are published, especially if original reports contained inaccuracies. All breaking news stories, without exception, are primary sources, and must be treated with caution
    Also, if all of the sources are from 2008, then this isn't a GAR issue, it's an AfD issue. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 07:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability is not temporary. This topic would obviously be kept at AFD, so I wouldn't suggest bothering. The matter reached the attention of both the PM of Israel at the time and the Attorney General, who had to respond to it.
    • Checking... that line in NOR was added just a few months ago. Granted, it's been at the RS guideline for longer, but I'm not sure it's ever come up much there. Regardless, suffice to say that this is just a case of a policy being poorly phrased IMO. It's not worth quibbling on this too much, since I agree that heavy sourcing to contemporary news reports is not ideal, but IMO calling them "primary" sources dulls the meaning of just what a "primary" source is. Primary sources would be, like, interviews with people at the incident or the like. Breaking news stories might be inaccurate and outdated, but that doesn't make them primary, in the same way that a published book by an independent amateur on a topic who makes factual errors might be unreliable, yet still secondary.
    • Back to the merits: So are you saying by the AFD comment that you agree no better sources exist than what's currently used? The best outcome is just to find the better source and save the article, after all. I checked the Hebrew WP article and it seems its sources are from 2008 as well (although, to be clear, not all breaking-breaking news, i.e. stuff from the day after, but rather the weeks after). It's possible there's a better source in some unknown Hebrew work, but it might be worth verifying whether such source exists. SnowFire (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of Christianity

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After receiving GA from Generalissima I asked for a peer review to take this article to FA. In that review, Borsoka had a problem with sources that, in his view, were not general enough to reflect consensus. I have added more general sources, and have used multiple references to find and demonstrate majority views, but in his view this article, still, not only doesn't deserve FA, it doesn't even deserve a GA and should be reassessed accordingly. I am cooperating and asking for the community to weigh in. Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the records, I mentioned more than one problems. 2c: It probably contains original research because I found at least two sentences after a quick review that were not verified by the allegedly cited source. Furthermore, the article is not based on works about the general history of Christianty, but on several books and studies about specific aspects of church history. 3a: The article fails to address major aspects of the topic because it mainly focuses on the history of Western Christianty. 3a: In some cases, the article goes into unnecessary details. Borsoka (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please be specific. Which sentences do you think are not properly cited, and what major topics are omitted and what details remain. I've explained that this article covers each era by the geography of where Christianity was primarily centered in that era.Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read my peer review. Borsoka (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I have fixed everything you mentioned there. I am still researching and adding more on the East one section at a time, but I am doing that. I meant, is there something else? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that per the GA criteria, "The "broad in its coverage" criterion is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles. It allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
Personally, I do feel that the article is rather weak on its coverage of non-Western Christianity. Take e.g. Orthodoxy, which is mentioned in only four paragraphs across the whole article, and nothing between 1054 and the modern era. Similarly, Oriental Orthodoxy is mentioned once in prose and the Coptic traditions not at all. I think the assertion above that "this article covers each era by the geography of where Christianity was primarily centered in that era" is perhaps subconsciously biased; what it should read is "this article covers each era by the geography of where developments in the Christianity we see today were primarily centered".
The "Early Middle Ages (600–1100)" section is especially teleological: it deals near-exclusively with Western Europe (including the Crusades, viewed exclusively through a "Frankish" lens), which is difficult to justify. The sole paragraph dealing with Byzantium, beginning "By the end of the first millennium..." is inexcusably vague and dismissive.
That said, bearing in mind the GA criterion above, which allows "significantly weaker" broadness than that expected from featured articles, I think this article is acceptable at GA. Western-biased, yes, but that's not unusual for Wikipedia, and it's not terrible in the later sections. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion of featured criteria issues
Coptic Christianity was originally in the article, was removed as a less than major detail, and is now added back in. The article does focus more on the West than East. I used the Cambridge History of Christianity extensively - it's probably my major source - and it seemed to me like that is what they did, so it's what I did. I want the article to be as comprehensive as possible, and I am also deeply concerned about adding length. I will try to figure out how to fix this with both those things in mind. I have already asked for help from another editor who is knowledgable of Eastern Christianity. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it clearly isn't what they did. Look at the relevant volume of the Cambridge History for that section ("Early Medieval Christianities, c.600–c.1100): nearly every chapter contains extensive discussion of the non-Italian/Western Christianity this article is centered around. If you are deeply concerned about length, you should look at where you are wasting words, such as entire paragraphs cited to single sources, a clear sign of WP:UNDUE material. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I admit I have not read every chapter of that volume. I must be wrong, but I was unaware. I have already been working on doing what you suggest. Please be patient. I was just explaining my previous thinking. Before coming here, I added 3 paragraphs on the East to Late Antiquity, but I'm afraid you still won't like them as they mostly cite one source. It does represent the majority view. It's just convenient, which I suppose is the same as saying it's the lazy approach. It's not an excuse, but I have spent so much time on this article that I'm worn out with the conflict over it. I want to see it through, and I am trying. I am concerned about wasting words. Please, you know I am. And I am again unaware of what you are referring to. It sounds as if "entire paragraphs" should be cut. Please tell me where. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(I have collapsed this section as it does not relate to the GA criteria) In general, with articles of this size, you should not be including information which only one source has seen necessary to mention. Relying for entire paragraphs on one source creates WP:WEIGHT issues you can ill afford: how can you judge "the prominence of each viewpoint" from one source? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the quote. My problem is that this is not a "shorter article", but a large article which covers almost exclusively Western Christianity. I think it should be quickly delisted. Borsoka (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that it comes under "overviews of large topics". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the text would not allow us to present the history of Germany, France and England in an article about the history of Europe. Borsoka (talk) 02:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand this.Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding Eastern Christianity across the board will take time. It would be a demonstration of good faith to acknowledge that I am doing that and have done the rest of what you have asked as well. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why not move that material out and this page to History of western Christianity...? There seems to be a consensus that that seems to be what it actually is... ——Serial 19:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no History of Western Christianity article as such - but there could be. There is Western Christianity that contains a short history section. So are you suggesting a sub-article that expands the history section? That's probably doable. It would be a lot of work but that might actually resolve the conflict here. It would also make it possible to keep the size down.
There's actually an awful lot in this article on the East - I guess that could be merged into Eastern Christianity as well - if it isn't already there. I wouldn't mind doing all this if others agree it's the best approach. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now moved the History of Christianity to the History of western Christianity. If there are any objections, please go to the talk page there. Thank you ——Serial. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does this end the reassessment? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So a general History of Christianity just doesn't exist anymore? What about the interwikis? I think a move like this really needs a consensus beforehand. Skyshiftertalk 23:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I too think this is a rather strange move. I get maybe there is a lot of detail in the west and east parts that merits its own attention, but there should be an overall history of Christianity page. As noted during the recent DYK run, it also needs a bit more balance in my view, the relative coverage of Christianity in the United States compared with Africa and Latin America is not proportionate.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly don't see where SN54129 got the idea there was a consensus for the move, so I'll move it back per WP:RMUM and start an RM nope, Amakuru has already asked to do that at WP:RM. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted the move. SilverLocust 💬 03:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dagnabbit!! Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you SilverLocust for doing the work that restoration required. This article makes a better "History of Western Christianity" I thought and an overview article could easily be recreated from a synopsis of both the western and eastern articles. But if it's consensus to leave it, I will accept the decision of the community.
Now back to the GA reassessment I guess. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jenhawk777: My revert was at the request of the others. I am mostly indifferent about whether it is moved/split, but I agree with Skyshifter, Amakuru, and AirshipJungleman29 that the move needs a discussion beforehand — either by way of a requested move or proposed split. SilverLocust 💬 00:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I appreciate that, but it does seem as if many are willing to make demands about what this article should be without being willing to do the work. When you reverted, you did the work of adding back the refs and so on, so I thank you for that. Since there is disagreement over the move, we should probably deal with one issue at a time, and since the GA issue came first, we should probably address that first. So far, there is one yes and one no. I originally posted this request for reassessment because of that no. They give these reasons:
  • 2c) First, it says two citations that cited the wrong chapter are "original research". I cited the author/chapter after the right one, but the rest was correct, even the page numbers. That's not OR, it's just an error. At any rate, that has been fixed.
  • 3a) The "no" voter says the article needs more general histories. Those have been added. The reasoning given is that only general histories lead to an understanding of majority views, but I don't think that's true. They are only one person's perspective on a very broad history, and they probably aren't experts in every aspect. By using multiple books and articles on specific aspects of history written by experts, it is possible to get multiple points of view on the same events. The "common" view can be found two ways: when multiple sources say the same things - or when one of those specialists report on what's happening in the field. There are plenty of sources of both kinds used here, and I can assure everyone that the majority view is what is in the text.
  • 3a) The complaint that the article has a western bias is fair and is being addressed. It is just taking some time for additional research.
  • "In some cases, the article goes into unnecessary details". For reviewers on this page, there are two complaints about not enough detail on some topics and one complaint about too much detail without saying where. One way or the other, I am working, with help, to make the article as concise as possible and still be complete in its coverage.
  • None of these should prevent this article from being seen as deserving its GA. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SilverLocust , ~~ AirshipJungleman29, Amakuru, Borsoka, and Skyshifter. I have now added Eastern Christianity - and am not yet finished adding - but it's already to the degree that this article is no longer the same article that received the GA. It should, perhaps, be reassessed accordingly. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is that after a short reading I found highly debatable statements: (1) In what would become Eastern Central Europe, Christianization and political centralization went hand in hand in creating the nation-states of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, Poland, Hungary, and Russia. Many of the nation-states listed came into being in the 20th and 21th centuries. (2) [In the Byzantine Empire] The eleventh century was a period of relative peace and prosperity, and Christianity was the ‘glue' of the empire. After around 1050, the Byzantine Empire lost large territories to the Seljuk Turks. 3. Bulgarians are mentioned as living in Asia, Alanians in the lands now forming Iran. I think you should do your homework, and complete this article before demanding new and new reviews from other editors. Alternatively, you may want to complete an article about a shorter period of the history of Christianity, and achieve its promotion as GA and FA. Borsoka (talk) 04:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Borsoka, Thank you. You are right. I should have waited until all the new material was in, checked and polished before asking anyone anything. I rushed because this is still standing open. I expected to come back and continue to add and move things around, because I thought others would be willing to help. Now you have.
The nations listed had their roots/precursors in the Middle Ages, but that is unclear in how it is stated. Thank you for pointing that out. I have now changed it.
That "The eleventh century was a period of relative peace and prosperity," is not incorrect, it is just not a detailed discussion of "relative". If losing territory qualifies as the absence of peace and prosperity, then Byzantium never had any after Justinian, and we all know that is simply not true.
You are right again that Bulgaria would more properly be listed under Europe - except that category wasn't there. Since it's kind of borderline, it can be described as connecting to the Asian continent, and at the time, I had no better place to put it, so I just squeezed it in. I have now changed the section title and moved Bulgaria so it is now with the rest of southeastern Europe - which wasn't there before but is now.
I have added material on the East in every age including creating the entirely new section. Have I adequately addressed the issue of "Western bias"?
Have I adequately addressed all the issues you raised in the peer review? You have been the most critical - not complaining, just noting - but that is why I need an answer from you directly on whether or not I have adequately addressed those issues. If not, I need to know what hasn't been done. I know it's asking a lot, but this article is complex and needs all the input from multiple editors that it can get. I appreciate that you want the article to be the best it can. I share that desire and believe you are well able to help with that. You have, so please let me know. I do need your help and I am grateful for it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me add that I have not yet completed the East in the Late Middle Ages. I thought I would have it done by the time you read this, but I am not satisfied with it - mostly because I am now reluctant to put in anything that isn't already perfect - so I am not publishing it yet. You can still answer about the rest of it though, and I will have this last bit in the next couple of days - RL is interfering right now, but I'll get it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I stop replying your queries because we obviously live in paralel worlds: in your world, the loss of more than half of Byzantine territory is the sign of a period of relative peace, in my world it is not; in your world, the Byzantine Empire was continuosly losing territories, in my world, the empire was expanding under the first Macedonian emperors, and later under the Komneni; in your world, Bulgaria is located on the borders of Asia and Europe, for me, it is a clearly European country, etc. My opinion has not changed: the article has never reached the level of a GA. Borsoka (talk) 04:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The direct quote from Jonathan Harris' "Byzantium and the Crusades" is this: One consequence of Byzantine military success is that, especially after 1018, many parts of the empire enjoyed a period of relative peace and prosperity as the threat of foreign invasion, ever-present in previous centuries, now diminished. The frontier districts, particularly newly incorporated Bulgaria, Syria and Armenia remained vulnerable to raids from neighboring nomads, so many urban centers such as Adrianople, Philippopolis, Antioch and Theodosiopolis retained their military function and garrisons. In the interior provinces on the other hand, particularly in what is now Greece and western Turkey, towns were flourishing as centers of industry and commerce. Archaeological excavations reveal that areas of Corinth and Athens, which had been deserted for centuries, had now been reoccupied and built over, and important industries had begun to grow up. ... In general therefore Byzantium was probably a more prosperous and settled society in the mid-eleventh century than the fragmented and localized countries of Western Europe.
    Constantine the 5th's reforms brought about a revival that lasted until 1204 and the fourth crusade. From the tenth century on, Byzantium projected wealth. This is in Paul Magdalino's, "Medieval Constantinople: Built Environment and Urban Development". In Angeliki E. Laiou's "The Economic History of Byzantium (Volume 2)"; in W. Treadgold's "A History of the Byzantine State and Society"; and any other history you check.
    This is not an error on my part.
    It does seem we are not living in the same world. For me, it is fair and reasonable - an act of good faith - to let things go once they've been addressed. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In the "Cambridge History of Christianity", volume 2, Bundy says on page 133: "The adoption of Christianity as the ‘glue of empire’ within Byzantium had serious repercussions for Persian Christians."
    The Macedonian emperors are political and off topic for this article.
    However, I have to say I am surprised you would mention them, since they prove my point and do not support your parallel world. Byzantine Empire under the Macedonian dynasty says ...revival took place in the late 9th, 10th, and early 11th centuries. ... The cities of the empire expanded, and affluence spread across the provinces because of the newfound security. The population rose, and production increased, stimulating new demand for trade. That's exactly what Harris - and all the others - say. It's what I said.
    later under Komneni I did say I have not done the late Middle Ages yet.
    None of these are legit complaints, except for one, Bulgaria is in Europe, which it is now. The GA criteria says that You are expected to respond to the reviewer's suggestions to improve the article to GA quality in a timely manner. It does not say that if anyone has any suggestions for improvement, that immediately sinks the nomination. This article meets the 6 criteria. You'll have to do better than this to prove otherwise. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australian rules football

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GA from 2021. which is definitely very recent, but there looks to be quite a lot of uncited statements including entire uncited paragraphs. So I feel that this needs to be reassessed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delist and trout the reviewer for passing it in the first place. – Teratix 10:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Technically it met the GA criteria then, but not now. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • De-list way too much unsourced content, particularly in the rules section, but also multiple sentences elsewhere. Most of these issues were there in the 2021 version that passed GA, which in my opinion was an incorrect outcome, as this looks to fail Wikipedia:Good article criteria 2b/2c (all sourced inline and no own research, the rules specifically look like some OR). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist does not meet the current criteria. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I was tagged into here as the Wikipedian who initially nominated the article for GA. This was well timed given I came back to Wikipedia for the first time in a while only a couple of days ago!
I'm more than happy to go through and resolve these issues if possible! From what I gather from the comments from others and my own quick run through, the majority of issues lie in the referencing of the various statements (particularly rules, but generally article-wide.) I'll make a start on this now, but I'd appreciate a more detailed list of focus areas if someone was willing to create one.
Thanks for letting me know either way, hopefully I'll be able to get the article up to snuff!
Empole1 (talk) 11:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Improving the referencing would be a good start, you're right that the rules section is where the issues are most acute. – Teratix 14:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Empole1, do you intend to return to this? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Han van Meegeren

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This 2007 listing contains significant uncited material, failing GA criterion 2b). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've never done anything related to a good article reassessment before, but I'm interested in crime, so I'll give it my best shot to bring it up to snuff. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PARAKANYAA, do you intend to continue working on this article? No worries if not. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29 Yes I do, and will get back to working on it now. I acquired some of the book sources and am looking through them. I'm unsure if I can get it good enough to maintain its status but I will try. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kraków

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This 2009 listing contains significant uncited material throughout the article, meaning it does not meet GA criterion 2b). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a sec. According to point 3 of the procedures before nomination for reassessment, you should consider raising issues at the talk page of the article or requesting assistance from major contributors. I see no evidence you did, and if there is a possibility of improvement, we should use it.
I have some knowledge about that city and plenty of access to Polish resources if needed, so let's resolve it without delisting. Tag the passages that are wrong and suggest any other improvements needed to retain the GA status. It will take some time, but sure, but we can do it. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is the point of this process Szmenderowiecki; I am glad to hear that you are willing to take an active role. As you are a subject-matter expert (or more so than I in any case), let's start with the general: do you think that the general organisation (layout, weighting, etc.) is good enough? For me, I am slightly concerned by the "Economy" section, which appears to be unduly focused on "Entrepreneurship"; do you agree? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit too busy, but I'll be back with a detailed reply shortly, I'll need to analyse some books for that to make an informed judgment. I want to strive to something like FAs of large cities (I'm working in my sandbox on Le Touquet, a French seaside resort of 5k people, and I'm using Kent, Ohio and Hamilton, Ontario as examples of what should I strive to. Btw, if you can update the Kent article with 2020 US census data, that would be great). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the economy section is a shambles, it needs some serious rework. I compared it to an excellent section about the economy of Bristol (an FA). Also, no budgets existed since 2011? The lead is also IMHO a bit chaotic. When I'm able to edit from desktop, I'm gonna dive deeper.
I'll look into this in the next couple of days or maybe weeks, maybe will do some ILLs to some history of Kraków books, of which I'm sure there's a lot. Maybe by that time I'll also finish the Le Touquet stuff. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:AirshipJungleman29, if you could tag the statements that concern you, I'll take a look and add cites. SilkTork (talk) 19:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi SilkTork, I've done so. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. The first tag is on "The first acclaimed ruler of Poland, Mieszko I, took Kraków from the Bohemians and incorporated it into the holdings of the Piast dynasty towards the end of his reign." That sentence was not there during the GA assessment - it has been added since. I've just started looking, and this detail is not certain - there are some doubts about it. Given the uncertainties, and that the detail is not essential - it can be explored more fully (along with the uncertainties) in the History of Kraków article - I think it would be more appropriate to remove it. The essential fact is that "In 1038, Kraków became the seat of the Polish government", which is cited. SilkTork (talk) 23:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Users interested in that period of Polish history, IIRC, are @Merangs and @Orczar - perhaps they can help. I can try to look for some soruces or verify stuff too - ping me if more help is needed (I'll try to address some cite needed to help, time permitting). It would be good to rescue this; the article is comprehensive but undercited. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting here in case anyone's unaware: this GAR can remain open for three months as long as the article is being worked on. Feel free to take your time. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for pinging me. I wanted to address this issue myself some time ago. I will try to do my best over the coming week or so. Merangs (talk) 20:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Merangs, do you intend to return to improving this article? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:25, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: - Yes, however, it is disappointing to see that I am one of a very few users doing so and that I cannot dedicate a hundred percent of my time to this. Merangs (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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