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This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 95 discussions have been relisted.

April 20, 2024[edit]

April 19, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Lucent → Lucent Technologies – Usually I am more in favour of shorter names, but in this case I think that the longer name is better. Lucent used "Technologies" in their logo. And it makes it more clear it is about a technology company. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hamme → Hamme, Belgium – I had disambiguated this recently, and Talk:Hamme (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, just as I was typing the most recent reply in that discussion. I suppose it's better to have a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Hamme" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the Belgian location, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the town would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include a river in Germany and another settlement there. Joy (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan – This is a retaliation to a retaliation, but that article was not named as a retaliation. So the same should apply here, and it would get more confusing if Iran retaliates to this attack. It would be weird to call such article a retaliation to a retaliation to a retaliation, this hasn't been done before. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 18, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Ecclesiastical polity → Church polity – Concision and recognizability. "Church" and "ecclesiastical" are exactly equivalent, but "church" is a more common term to the average user. According to Ngram, the two phrases are now roughly as common as one another, though "ecclesiastical" is more historically prevalent. Dirkwillems (talk) 00:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rasna → Rasna (drink) – I had disambiguated this recently, and Talk:Rasna (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, so here's a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Rasna" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the drink made in India, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. India is certainly a huge English-speaking country, but this product does not appear to be well-known globally (at least according to the current article content). With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the drink would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include the Etruscan civilization, and half a dozen small settlements across Europe. Joy (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nicaragua Canal → ? – As the opening sentence of this article puts it, "there is a long history of attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua to connect the Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific Ocean", from as early as the 1500s to the most recent and hence most notable one in the 2010s. Currently, the general article is at "History of" and the specific one about the 2010s project at "Nicaragua Canal". Each has a section summarizing the other, Nicaragua Canal § History and History of the Nicaragua Canal § HKND project (2010–present), with {{main}} hatnote crosslinks. This likely made sense when said project was active and there was reason to expect it to result in an actual canal, which would obviously have been vastly more notable than any mere plan to build one. But by the end of that decade, the project had been essentially abandoned, and I don't think it makes sense any longer. "Nicaragua Canal" has about 200 incoming article links ([2]), of which I surveyed the first 20. The result is pretty much an even split between links that should indeed go to the 2010s project, and links that should go to the general page, or in some cases ideally one of its sections about earlier specific projects. But it's more confusing to follow a link to an article that's about the wrong specific thing than to an article that's too general, especially when that specific article has an unspecific title. So a switch would clarify the situation, IMO. The most obvious choice for a new title for the specific article is "Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project", per its opening sentence - though something that includes a date, as the "HKND project (2010–present)" section title does, might be more informative, so I left that open. - 2A02:560:58C3:0:B0B9:6993:EC37:F849 (talk) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Unge Ferrari → Stig Brenner – He changed his artist name from "Unge Ferrari" to "Stig Brenner" in 2020. The Norwegian article was moved in 2022, and the German article also uses his newer artist name. 12u (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Pedro Pagés → ? – "Pedro Pagés" is currently the title of a biographical article of a guy who played two seasons in the major Negro Leagues and does not appear to meet the notability criteria for an article. (Historians don't even know when the guy died). He's certainly less notable than the current Pedro Pagés. If that article is even kept, it should be moved to "Pedro Pagés (outfielder)" and this article moved to "Pedro Pagés." Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Afon Tanat → River Tanat – Ngrams shows "River Tanat" is used more in English, therefore the WP:COMMONNAME. As used by CPAT[3], NRW[4], and UK Gov. A lot of search results seem to take after Wikipedia when searching the current name. Plus the current name is from Welsh, but not the apparent common Welsh name itself, which is Afon Tanad, so the current is neither the common Welsh or English name. DankJae 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Dallas Green (baseball) → Dallas Green – Following the recent page move of the musician to "City and Colour", there is no need to have the disambiguation for the baseball manager. After all, the musician was named after the baseball manager! A hatnote could be used to different between the two, as well with the unrelated baseball team Dallas Green Monarchs. APM (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 TV series) → Star Wars: Clone Wars – Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, this article doesn't need to be disambiguated from every article titled something resembling Star Wars: Clone Wars, it only has to be disambiguated from other works that could be referred to with that exact title. The 2008 show and the movie have a "the" in the title, and should thus be different enough to avoid problems. Although both are colloquially referred to as Clone Wars, just as this show is, neither is really ever referred to or could be titled here as Star Wars: Clone Wars because that title would be wrong. The only article titled exactly Star Wars: Clone Wars is the one about the comics, which is much less important than this article (it's basically just a list of comics titled something like Clone Wars or The Clone Wars, and has less than 400 views in the last month compared to over 27,000 for this article). If this goes through, I would recommend adding a hatnote to the movie, and maybe one for Clone Wars (Star Wars), just to help with navigation. Ladtrack (talk) 15:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Obi-Wan Kenobi (TV series) → Obi-Wan Kenobi (miniseries) – Per the above discussion and WP:NCTV, "(miniseries)" is the correct disambiguation for this article. The fact that there are no further seasons planned is stated and well supported in the article. If don't think this should be controversial but started this discussion to make sure there is visibility first. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Palestine → Palestine (disambiguation) – Per WP:COMMONNAME and the upcoming UNSC vote on Friday to have Palestine upgraded as a UN member, I suggest this article be renamed to simply "Palestine" like all other country articles in this Wikipedia. It doesn't make sense to use Ireland as the Republic of Ireland or the Republic of China as two articles with one on the mainland and the other on Taiwan. Even the Google Trends uses Palestine more than the State of Palestine itself. Kindly keep this debate civil. Silence of Lambs (talk) 00:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 17, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Woo Bum-kon → Woo Bum-kon incident – Per WP:BIO1E. Woo is notable for murdering a lot of people in one event, and not much else. Someone had previously tried to change this article to Uiryeong massacre, however this title is original research: all of the later Korean sources call it some variation of "Woo Bom-kon incident", "Woo Bom-kon shooting incident", etc, see (우범곤 사건, lit Woo Bum-kon incident). It is the clear common name, and we can't just make up our own titles. I believe this means it will be delisted as a vital article though, since it no longer fits the category it is listed in. Also, this article still has the problem of being overwhelmingly tilted towards 80s English news coverage instead of the boatload of later, more accurate, Korean language sourcing, but as I do not speak Korean this is a difficult issue to fix. Hopefully someone will, someday. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Socialist Republic of Romania → Socialist Romania – Here we are again. Two years ago I proposed a move to Communist Romania [7], which was unsuccessful. Many of the opposers focused on the appropriate use of Marxist terminology, as Romania did not achieve communism, which would imply if I am not mistaken an abolishment of the state, despite meeting the definition used at Communist state. Now that the page has been subject to some moves I think it is a good moment to revisit the alternative I proposed and which went largely undiscussed, Socialist Romania This article deals with all of Romania's communist regime. During this time, Romania was known by two names, Romanian People's Republic (1947–1965) and Socialist Republic of Romania (1965–1989). The current title, using the last of the two names, leaves out 40% of this period. This is not based on any policy, convention or common practice. People's Socialist Republic of Albania uses the second out of three official names, which was used only half the time the first one was; Czechoslovak Socialist Republic also uses the second out of three official names, this time it is the one used for the longest. Most other Eastern Bloc states had only one official name throughout their history and are not valid comparisons. Per WP:OFFICIALNAMES we are not required to stick to official names and can resort to descriptive rather than proper names if there is good reason. "Socialist Romania" gives 4,890 results in Google Scholar, while "Socialist Republic of Romania" gives 4,950 (and "Romanian People's Republic" gives 711). The proposed title is practically just as common (WP:COMMONNAME) as the current one. Worth noting that "Communist Romania" gives 12,700 results and is the most common name, but it is not the focus of this RM, because it was rejected on the last one. Thus, "Socialist Romania", while not violating WP:OFFICIALNAMES and WP:COMMONNAME, is shorter than the current title (WP:CONCISE), actually covers the whole period (WP:PRECISE) and is seemingly in line with Marxist terminology. The choice of using the last official name is not based on any formal procedure (and is thus arbitrary by definition), and we are not pressed to keep it. For all of these reasons I believe the proposed title is a better alternative. By the way, this will be my last attempt at altering this article's title. Super Ψ Dro 20:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shoulder (road) → Hard shoulder – natural disambiguation WP:NATDAB. There is a reason why sidewalk is not titled pavement because that term can also mean the road surface. Similarly, elevator is not titled lift because that also has another meaning. So why isn;t it the case here? Yes the term is British but that doesn't require disambiguation, but shoulder does as that commonly refers to the body part. It is also permitted to switch between English varieties if 'the change reduces ambiguity', as shown at WP:RETAIN. This article has no (strong) ties to any English speaking land and since no ENGVAR is established, if this move is successful, then British English should be established for this article. JuniperChill (talk) 17:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – XO-2 (star) → XO-2 – XO-2 currently disambiguates between this article and OLPC XO-2, which is a redirect. This can be resolved with a hatnote; the disambiguation page is unnecessary. Also, OLPC XO-3 is an article but XO-3 is an article about the star system, not a disambiguation page. (Since this move involves deleting the page currently at the target, is an AFD also needed?) SevenSpheres (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Catalan cinema → Cinema of Catalonia – WP:TITLECON. The article defines it as the cinema of Catalonia, including films in Catalan and Spanish. That means 'Catalan' refers to Catalonia, not the Catalan language, and excludes Valencia, the Baleares and Andorra. Any hypothetical article about films in Catalan should be named "Catalan-language cinema" or somesuch. NLeeuw (talk) 14:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). NLeeuw (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Maratha Empire → Maratha Confederacy – The Maratha state had been a confederation of some sort for much of its existence from at least 1721 when the Baroda State was founded and 1732 when Indore and Gwalior States were founded till 1818. The Maratha state during the Deccan wars under Shivaji and his descendents was not in the slightest an "empire", rather a quasi-state or rebel kingdom from 1674 till 1707. Besides in most scholarly sources the Maratha realm has been referred to as the "Maratha Confederacy" or "Maratha States". (Look at the infobox map itself. It says "Maratha States".) Calling it an empire is an overly biased PoV. PadFoot2008 (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Asha, Cyprus → Assia, Cyprus – Page was moved from 'Askia' to 'Asha, Cyprus' back in 2014 without any explanation (or discussion). As far as I can see, no English-language sources are using the current name; they use either 'Assia', 'Askia' or 'Ashia', where the first seems to be the most common, especially in the sources used in the article. T*U (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Raptor → Raptor (disambiguation) – Raptor as bird of prey is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I'm a little bit perturbed at the opposing reasoning on the last discussion. Hit counts do not dictate primary topics. First, dinosaurs like Velociraptor or Dakotaraptor are named for their resemblance to extant raptors -- raptor literally meaning "robber" for the way that birds of prey generally take quarry. Second, everything with the "raptor" name refers directly or indirectly (through dromaeosaurid dinosaurs) to birds of prey. The NBA team, computer code, fighter jet, et all are named as such to draw a parallel to the ferocity and power of either raptors (the birds) or raptors (the dromaeosaurs). Lastly, dromaeosaurs are only colloquially called "raptors", whereas birds of prey can be formally referred to as such. wound theology◈ 06:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Karma (2024 song) → Karma's a Bitch – This page keeps getting moved. The previous rationale was "The song was originally called that in the Miley Cyrus demo, and the Brit Smith demo. It also takes away the disambiguating, so it more succinct." I’m unsure, however. The article is about the song as an entity, but that 'entity' hasn’t got a name, but it’s clear that there are two versions of the same song, and that they are not covers of each other. I don’t think this has ever happened before. Plus the proposed title is already a redirect to the page, so seems like the most logical title. This is a case of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg?' Another suggestion is Karma and Karma's a Bitch. 109.235.247.80 (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 16, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – List of NBCUniversal television programs → List of Comcast television programs – This article lists shows produced by Sky Studios (and it's subsidiaries), which is not part of NBCUniversal but rather part of Sky Group, another company owned by Comcast. Additionally, Sky has its own section in the article with other companies that are owned by NBCU, which is misleading and confusing as it can make people assume it's part of NBCU. It would be more suitable if most of the sections were put into an NBCU section, which would exist with the Sky section. Inpops (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Reification (linguistics) → ? – Given the mentions of tooling and synonym discovery I think the content of this page was already more in the realm of natural language processing than linguistics. Consider merging the bottom part with semantic parsing. Sean Lewis Bethard (talk) 05:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – I realise that this was discussed before in 2016, but consensus may have changed. A recent discussion at Talk:Orlando, Florida showed no consensus that this is the primary topic. I would put forward two reasons. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this page means that we should be cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, some people argued that the Florida city is widely known outside the USA because it attracts a large number of tourists as the location of Disney World. However, speaking as a European who has never visited the USA, the extent to which US cities are widely known elsewhere is not necessarily a function of the number of tourists, it's not like e.g. Chicago or Los Angeles. PatGallacher (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Diane O'Connor → Diane Hutchinson – Diane has now been credited as "Hutchinson" for the past 1- years - longer than O'Connor. She is no longer called "O'Connor" in the show, and more importantly, reliable sources list her using "Hutchinson", indicating that it is her WP:COMMONNAME. Searching "O'Connor" does not get as many results as Hutchinson, so I recommend this move. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Charlotte Drake → ? – Charlotte has never been credited as Charlotte Drake - she used it once as an alias in a flashback in the final episode, but nothing more - other characters have not even referenced to her as that throughout the show's duration. Furthermore, her WP:COMMONNAME is either Charlotte DiLaurentis or Cece Drake. I hence propose a move to one of these. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – I Am... (Beyoncé tour) → I Am... World Tour – This request is to restore the former name of the page. The previous move was closed under a quintaessential example of why supervoting is inappropriate and why Wikipedia is built upon consensus and not a polling democracy. The argument provided by the closer, @BilledMammal:, reads as follows: Consensus to move per WP:PRECISION; the current title is ambiguous. Ambiguity was never a reason provided for the move by itself; the argument was "There are multiple albums by multiple artists called I Am which could be easily confused as being the subject of this tour", which is not a valid argument to move a page. The tour is not a subsection of an album to argue such thing. Furthermore, being ambiguous is not a reason to move pages mainly because the titling criteria is not a set of imposed rules. The closing didn't address the arguments provided by either side and it never explained where the consensus arised. Additionally, it was never demonstrated that the official name is the WP:COMMONAME, why we should follow an WP:OFFICIALNAME, why WP:SMALLDETAILS is not applicable, why WP:NATURAL is not applicable, and since the page was moved and the redirects corrected, exactly where is the ambiguity in the title, since the Lewis tour has not improved its views caused by the alleged ambiguity. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 15, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – 2023 Georgian protests → 2023–2024 Georgian protests – The protests have been restarted after the practically the same law was reinstroduced into the Parliament. All sides are same and the matter of protests is still the same, so it is basically a same thing and there is no point to write a new article. The protests are expected to continue so this article should be moved to 2023–2024 Georgian protests page 38.51.157.23 (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – November Uprising (Lviv, 1918) → November act – per all languages that have an article on this. * The article suggests that there was uprising in Lviv, while in reality, the Ukrainians took the city without a fight and disarmed Austrian soldiers. * The article characterizes the Ukrainian capture of the city as an uprising. However, shortly thereafter, the Poles also rose up against the Ukrainians, which could also be described as an uprising. Rather then the article being named "November Uprising (Lviv,1918)" the name should get redirected to Battle of Lemberg (1918) . Olek Novy (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary → Tbilisi Theological Seminary – The institution's own website uses uses Tbilisi Theological Academy and Seminary. Most sources seem to use "Theological" (see Google books for "Tiflis Theological Seminary", or high-quality sources like Brill's Encyclopedia of Islam (which inexplicably talks about Christian seminaries in Tiflis in some detail! Available on the Wikipedia library if you want to check.). More generally, "Spiritual" is an awkward, literal translation that isn't that accurate to idiomatic English usage. It's a seminary for learning theology, not a monastery. There are a few sources that use "Spiritual" in GBooks ([9]), but they drop off the front page quickly from ~5 or so hits, and many are books written in the past decade when the Wikipedia article was at "spiritual" and may have simply trusted the Wikipedia usage. One complication is that the institution is most notable when the city was known as "Tiflis" in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and the article was originally created under the "Tiflis" name in 2013. Given that there is a successor institution, it seems reasonable to use the modern name of the successor institution, though, even if there's fewer sources on the contemporary era. But I wouldn't be totally opposed to "Tiflis Theological Seminary" as a backup option. SnowFire (talk) 17:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Lee Jun-seok → Lee Junseok – Lee uses the name Lee Junseok in all official documents.His Harvard University graduate's name is also Junseok. Additionally, the revised Korean romanization system recommends not using spaces between given names. Ehgud2077 (talk) 07:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel → ? – The previous discussion was on moving 'Strikes' to 'strike' version, and it was speedy closed by me as there is a speedy consensus on that matter. However, what had been raised in that discussion is which proposition to be used in the article title.  : The previous discussion was moving "Strikes" to "strikes", rather than to "strike", I believe? I mention this because there may be further strikes by Iran on Israel later in the year, and it's not clear whether this article would include those, or if they would get their own articles. I think clearest would be to include the full date, so this article is specifically about the missile and drone attack on the one day, which I think would be 14 April 2024 (starting in the early morning hours local time). Warren Dew (talk) 05:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nihon Shōgakkō fire → Japanese mission school fire – per WP:USEENGLISH, even in article it's stated 'English-language newspapers covering the incident in 1923 usually called it the Japanese mission school fire or the Buddhist mission fire.'. The article title appears to be just the school's old Japanese name given from the website with 'fire' added to it - there is no evidence of 'Nihon Shōgakkō fire' that doesn't appear to be WP:CIRCULAR, I also couldn't find any evidence of the presumable Japanese translation of the title. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 14, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Milyang Park clan → Miryang Park clan – Per WP:TITLECON & WP:COMMONNAME, the article name should be the Miryang Park clan. Other Korean clans from Miryang, such as the Miryang No clan and the Miryang Dang clan are also titled this way instead of the Milyang variant. The current article title seems to be at its current location based on it being an WP:OFFICIALNAME, however the example cited is based on the url of the Korean-language website of this clan. There are no other indicators on this website that contain the English term "Milyang Park". The term "Miryang Park" or its variants is also used by a variety of sources and appears to be the WP:COMMON NAME: The Korea Times [1][2], the Christian Science Monitor[3], this research paper from the Journal of People Plants and Environment [4], this research paper from the Korean Anthropology Review[5], and A History of Korea: From Antiquity to the Present [6]. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 23:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Convention Centre Precinct → Te Pae – As per the discussion above, there is a case for this article to be renamed. The question is: what should the new name be? You can read my contribution above and I have a slight preference for "Te Pae" as it's what The Press uses most commonly, and they would be the one who write about this facility most regularly. This name is also the most WP:PRECISE. That said, I won't mind if this lands on any of the longer name options. Schwede66 22:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Muhammad al-Bukhari → Al-Bukhari – This is simply the most famous al-Bukhari. Al-Bukhari even redirects here. This is common with Arabic nisbas where strictly speaking, there's a lot of people who share a portion of the fullest version of the name, so we just follow the WP:RS sources for the short form used. Such as his student, al-Tirmidhi (not Muhammad al-Tirmidhi), al-Tabari (not Muhammad al-Tabari), al-Nasa'i (not Ahmad al-Nasa'i) etc. "Bukhari" without the Arabic definite article can be a disambiguation, though al-Bukhari is clearly WP:COMMONNAME per this figure. Aqsian313 (talk) 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Cumnock (original) railway station → Old Cumnock railway station – I've been tidying up disambiguation for former railway stations in Scotland per WP:UKSTATIONDAB and I'm not 100% sure what the best solution is for these two stations. The first was a Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway station opened as Old Cumnock in 1850, renamed to Cumnock in 1955 and closed in 1965. The second was a Glasgow and South Western Railway station that was only ever known as Cumnock, opened in 1872 and closed in 1951. I feel the natural disambiguation (using Old Cumnock and Cumnock) works best as there was only a brief period where the first station was known as Cumnock and they had different names when they were both in operation. The other options for disambiguation don't really work either as they are both in the same town and they were both run by the same company as the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway became the Glasgow and South Western Railway shortly after the first station opened. The current naming pattern doesn't work with the policy so they will have to move, I don't know what the disambiguation for the second station should be though as their is also a Cumnock railway station in Australia and Cumnock railway station needs to be a dab page. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 13, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Postmodernism (international relations) → Poststructuralism (international relations) – The current (9th, 2023) edition of the only source cited in this stub discusses this topic under the heading of "poststructuralism", with "postmodernism" being mentioned only as a loose synonym in a box on p. 183. (In the absence of additional sources supporting this being a real sub-field of international relations, I would also support deletion rather than renaming. However this is outside my area of expertise.) Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ravi Gulati → Ravi Gulati (activist) – With all due respect, the EastEnders character is simply more well-known. When searched, the vast majority of the results are related to the fictional character, even on searches like "Ravi Gulati activist". This is also reflected in the "References" headings for both, with the real person having only three cited sources. In this case, Ravi Gulati (EastEnders) would also be a redirect. As a plan B, Ravi Gulati could be a disambiguation page, but I think is unnecessary as the character is significantly better documented. FishLoveHam (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – London Country South East → Kentish Bus – This is the common name used by the operator since 1987.[1] Considering the operator was founded in 1986 - the article lead references that, too - I don't think it makes a lot of sense to use an anachronistic name used for only one year as the page title. Hullian111 (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – 2024 Mozambique boat disaster → ? – Mozambique is quite a big place. Surely we can get more specific. I am not familiar with the region, however, and will let more informed editors decide on a new name. Bremps... 03:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – USS Arizona → USS Arizona (disambiguation) – I believe that the USS Arizona sunk at Pearl Harbor is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC under both criteria. As for usage, over the past 180 days, it's received over 89% of views: 265,274 vs. 20,481 for the modern ship, 8,432 for the DAB page, 1,469 for the Civil War ship, and 778 for the Neshaminy. Under long-term significance, the articles that could be titled USS Arizona consist of only US ships and there's no reason to expect that will change any time soon, and this Arizona is one of the most historically significant US ships of any name. Egsan Bacon (talk) 01:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Kalolaa-kumukoa → Kalola-a-Kumukoa – Inline with the few reliable sources on the subject. *In the source (Esther T. Mookini "Keopuolani: Sacred Wife, Queen Mother, 1778-1823", p. 10) used Kalolaakumukoa not Kalolaa-kumukoa, with a break in the line on the page. The hyphen is used to connect the two parts of the name. See the pdf Kalola-a-Kumukoa in some variation is used in: Kamakau's Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii, p. 476; Edith Kawelohea McKinzie's Hawaiian Genealogies: Extracted from Hawaiian Language Newspapers, Vol. 2, p. 13, Kapiikauinamoku's (Sammy Amalu) Story of Maui Royalty [The story of Maui royalty — Ulukau books link], and this newspaper article by Robert W. Wilcox [Robert Wilcox sounds off, 1898. | nupepa (nupepa-hawaii.com) link]. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Francis, Duke of Guise → François, Duke of Guise – Requesting move of these articles per WP:COMMONNAME. I will begin my argument with ngrams, even though I find them largely overcrowded by noise. Please see [19] [20] [21] [22] Moving beyond ngrams, my argument revolves around the English literature that focuses on the family, the era of the Italian Wars, and the era French Wars of Religion, both areas of which they played a central role in and are therefore not an incidental mention in. Stuart Carroll (2011) Martyr's and Murderers: The Guise Family and the Making of Europe, is the most recent English language biography of the family - it refers to the second duke of Guise as François, his son the third duke as Henri and the fifth duke of Guise as Henri II (also the seventh duke of Guise as François-Joseph though that Wikipedia article is already at François-Joseph, so does not require changing.) The other recent English book which discusses them in the title is Mark Konnert's (2006) Local Politics in the French Wars of Religion: The Towns of Champagne, the duc de Guise and the Catholic League (1560-1595) - it refers to François, and Henri. I will now briefly survey English academics who have written on this area in the last couple of decades, and their various positions on the names. Gould (2006) = François; Roelker (1968) = François, Henri; Knecht (2014) = François, Henri; Diefendorf (1991) = François, Henri; Roberts (2013) = François, Henri; Sutherland (1962) = François, Henri; Tullchin (2012) = François, Henri; Roelker (1996) = François, Henri; Baumgartner (1986) = Henri; Harding (1978) = François, Henri; Heller (2003) = Henri; Potter (1997) = François, Henri; Carroll (2005) = François, Henri; Bernstein (2004) = Henri; Konnert (1997) = François, Henri; Benedict (2003) = François, Henri; Salmon (1979) = François, Henri; Shaw (2019) [only English language survey of the Italian Wars] = François; Pitts (2012) = François, Henri; Neuschel (1989) = François; Kingdon (1967) = François, Henri; Greengrass (1988) = François; Conner (2000) = François, Spangler (2016) = Henri Tingle (2006) is a little unusual, refers to François, and Henry; likewise Shimizu (1970) refers to Francis, and Henri Holt (2002) = Francis, Henry, he is the only French Wars of Religion era academic I am aware of who throughout all his works consistently calls them this way. Wood (2002) never refers to either duke by their first name. sovietblobfish (talk) 11:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering (talk) 00:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 04:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Joint Light Tactical Vehicle → Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition – There are basically two extremely similar articles about the JLTV. Actually three. Joint Light Tactical Vehicle resembles an article about the development program, while Oshkosh L-ATV is about the JLTV selected for production. There is enough content for two articles, but I would guess that most people searching for "JLTV" would expect to find an article about the production vehicle than the competition that produced it. Background: "L-ATV" was the marketing name for the truck originally designed by Oshkosh for the JLTV program, which Oshkosh won in 2015. Presumably Oshkosh did not wish to tie the vehicle's success to the JLTV program, and so branded it as Each branch of the U.S. military calls it the "JLTV". Oshkosh usually refers to the L-ATV as the JLTV, although very occasionally Oshkosh will market a variant of the JLTV as an L-ATV on their own initiative. Here is a press release where Oshkosh announces the sale of "JLTVs", not "L-ATVs", to European countries. AM General will take over production of the JLTV from Oshkosh at the end of the year. They will be calling their version the JLTV A2. If this move is carried out there should be a section about the competition with a pointer to Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition. Schierbecker (talk) 02:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Polish–Ukrainian ethnic conflict → Polish–Ukrainian relations (1939–1947) – The article's author was unable to demonstrate the source basis for the existence of a Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflict in 1942-47; the very fact that he places the Polish anti-communist and pro-independence Freedom and Independence Association on the Ukrainian side demonstrates his poor grasp of the subject, but also, and above all, the inability to narrate the entire history solely through the optics of "ethnic conflict." For indeed, this is a misleading take. First, because it is difficult to define the actors. The Polish side is not homogeneous: there are many organizations, and the three main currents (the Home Army, the Nationalists and the Communists) had different attitudes toward the Ukrainian cause and did not pursue a uniform policy. Likewise, on the Ukrainian side, there is the OUN-M, OUN-B (and UPA), UCK collaborators, Bulbovets, Ukrainian Soviet partisans, Ukrainian SSR authorities, etc. Second, despite generally hostile relations, there were also periods of peace, attempts at agreement, and actual alliances. There is an entire book by Grzegorz Motyka and Rafał Wnuk on this subject: "Pany and rezuny. Cooperation of the AK-WiN and the UPA 1945-1947". Many Ukrainians served in the Polish army in 1939 and in the Polish armed forces in the west. Pavlo Shandruk cooperated with the Polish government in exile etc. These are things largely not currently described on Wikipedia. In the current situation, I see two choices: # due to the fact that the article is a translation from the Polish Wiki of the article under the title " Polish-Ukrainian partisan fighting", we can move it under this title and change the scope to describe the skirmishes between the two partisan movement. # or, as I suggest, move it under the title I proposed and describe the whole of Polish-Ukrainian relations during the war. I believe that such an article would be valuable and would be a " container" tying together all the topics currently described in isolation (the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, the Hrubieszów revolution, the WiN-UPA alliance, etc.). Marcelus (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 19:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Anarchist St. Imier International → Anti-Authoritarian International – In my experience, the term "Anti-Authoritarian International" appears to be the common name for this organisation in historical sources.[24] I rarely see it referred to as the "Anarchist International", as the term "anarchist" wasn't even formally adopted by members of the organisation until after it had already collapsed (see Graham 2019, p. 339). But we do know that they referred to themselves as "anti-authoritarians", in order to distance themselves from the Marxist International. Grnrchst (talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Genital modification and mutilation → Genital modification – Fails WP: CRITERIA. 1.) It lacks precision, as it encompasses related but dissimilar topics, often being misinterpreted by users to mean that all genital modifications listed on the page are mutilations. 2.) It fails the criteria of concision. As all genital mutilations are forms of genital modifications, genital modification would suffice. (e.g. It is like if a page was termed "List of dogs and bulldogs" instead of "List of dogs") 3.) It fails the criteria of neutrality, as it implies to readers (problematically) that gender-affirming surgery, labiaplasty, circumcision, and pearling are mutilation. It also associates "modification" with exclusively negative changes. To make it meet WP: NPOV, you'd have to add "enhancement" or another positive term, a proposal that would further fail the criteria of concision. 4.) The title goes against article precedents surrounding body modification articles. All of which leave out titles that give positive or negative personal judgements. KlayCax (talk) 03:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Novogrudok → Navahrudak – Belarusian is the native language of Belarus, so the name should be transliterated from that native language. --W (talk) 13:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Googling "Gaza border protest" gives off 6,360 results, while googling the "Great March of Return" gives a whooping 206,000 results, including overwhelming majority of RS! Sources provided earlier: The Guardian, BBC, Middle East Eye, Al Jazeera, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Medecins Sans Frontiers, a human rights journal, United Nations, and many scholarly works [32], [33]. New sources since then: Vice, The Lancet , The Nation, Foreign Affairs, Sage Journals, Middle East Eye, Reporters Without Borders, Carnegie, Democracy Now, Btselem, Dawn media. More sources since beginning of discussion: Forensic Architecture; CIA Factbook; BMC Psychology journal; and even the Jerusalem Post. Precedent: Only a minority of these RS say Great March of Return in quotes; my response to that counter argument is The Troubles example: they are still being referred to in quotes even 25 years later by reliable sources such as Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, Reuters and Washington Post. Also Kristallnacht [34]. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • (Discuss) – Fremantle Football Club → Fremantle Dockers – Discussing titles for the new Tasmanian team has me thinking about how our AFL clubs' articles are named – in my view, they're not up to scratch with modern titling policy. For context, of the 18 AFL clubs, Gold Coast Suns, Greater Western Sydney Giants, Sydney Swans, West Coast Eagles and Western Bulldogs currently use the "[location] [mascot]" combo, with the other 13 currently at "[location] Football Club". In my view, we should be using the "[location] [mascot]" combination more often, if not in all cases, because it is more concise, recognisable and is used more often by our sources. Past justifications for using "[location] Football Club" have tended to rest on the idea that articles should use whatever the club's official name is, which is not necessarily true. Aside from this general rationale, some points specific to Fremantle: *Clubs that have acquired their current name after the 1980s – Sydney (relocated 1982), West Coast (entered 1987), Western Bulldogs (rebranded 1996), Gold Coast (entered 2011) and GWS (entered 2012) – all use "[location] [mascot]". The exception is Adelaide (entered 1991, title is "Adelaide Football Club") but their article also probably needs to be moved. Because Fremantle entered in 1995, using "[location] [mascot]" is especially consistent with the more recent clubs tending to use this format. *Many third-party sources use "Fremantle Dockers": PerthNow, Fox, The West, ZeroHanger, Nine, Seven, The Roar Sydney Morning Herald, ABC. I'm not exactly going to say "Fremantle Dockers" is the WP:COMMONNAME, because the actual COMMONNAME is probably just "Fremantle" or "the Dockers", but those names aren't suitable options. *Fremantle consistently use "Dockers" over "Football Club" in their own branding. It's on their logo, their social media accounts, their official app and so on. *"Dockers" is consistent across time. During their time in the AFL, Fremantle have never been known by a name other than the Dockers. *"Dockers" is consistent across teams. There's no reserves or AFLW team using a different name. And some other notes: *This move request is intended as a warm-up to gauge community sentiment and avoid changing too much at once, not to suggest Fremantle is the only club that needs their article moved. *If this move request succeeds, associated articles with "Fremantle Football Club" in their title (e.g. List of Fremantle Football Club players) should be moved to the equivalent title with "Fremantle Dockers". – Teratix ₵ 08:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shukan Shincho → Shūkan Shinchō – Having the macron in the name is the more correct translation of this Japanese magazine name to English. No standard title has been established in English so we should defer to the technically correct translation for the page title. DCsansei (talk) 19:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way. Aintabli (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Edward V of England → Edward V – Background: There was a recent RM which proposed to drop the "of England" from all of the English Edwards, which ended in no consensus. However, the closer explicitly stated a separate nomination limited to Edward IV and Edward V would be more fruitful, and might be the best next step to pursue. This is that discussion. Rationale: per WP:SOVEREIGN, Only use a territorial designation (e.g. country) when disambiguation is needed. Given that there are no other Edward IVs/Edward Vs, it is obvious that no disambiguation is needed. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Frederik IX of Denmark → Frederik IX – He's the only monarch with this exact name, so we should move per WP:PRECISE, and the move will make the article title consistent with his daughter and now his grandson, whose name is spelled without the C. Векочел (talk) 01:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: A mistake on my part in saying Frederik IX was the only monarch with this name. He is the only king with this exact name. Векочел (talk) 09:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Kobe → Kobe, Japan – Out of all articles which relate to “Kobe”, the city of Japan is not a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Looking at page view statistics and online search results; as well as enduring greater notability, the professional basketball player’s article has more usage, notability, and significance than the city as per primary topic rules. But wait, your RM aims to move the disambiguation instead of doing anything to Koby Bryant’s article! That’s correct, which is why I would like to use this RM to clarify the significance of Bryant’s article as compared to the city. Should this RM succeed, further discussion regarding a possible redirect to the basketball player would be highly supported by me. DS537(WIR) 21:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC) Upon knowledge of WP:JPPLACE, I withdraw my move request. This RM may be closed early.[reply]

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