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Good article reassessment for Loitering munition

Loitering munition has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. CMD (talk) 01:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

SMS Bayern

The SMS Bayern (1878) article states that she was launched on 13 May 1878. However, several British newspapers reported in August 1877 that she had been launched. The Hampshire/Portsmouth Telegraph of 18 August was one such paper. They quoted that the Heeres Zeitung had reported her launch ("The German Navy". Hampshire/Portsmouth Telegraph. No. 4696. Portsmouth. 18 August 1877.). Do we need to make a correction to the article? Mjroots (talk) 08:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The Deutsche Heeres-Zeitung corrected itself on 10 August 1877 and said the ship wouldn't be launched for weeks. —Simon Harley (Talk). 09:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I had a look at Hildebrand et. al. (since they sometimes include details on delays during construction when they happen) but they did not in this case. Given the correction Simon noted, I'd say we should stick with the date that Hildebrand and Groener provide. Parsecboy (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. It is a good thing that we can challenge facts and re-evaluate them to ensure accuracy of articles. Mjroots (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I did a quick skim for German sources and came across this article in the Augsburger neueste Nachrichtung dated 17 May 1878 on the launch ceremony (I haven't read it to see if it mentions a delay, because I loathe deciphering blackletter) that confirms the 13 May 1878 date. The Kurier fuer Niederbayern also supports the 13 May 1878 date. Parsecboy (talk) 13:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Guys it is amazing and really useful that you are critically re-evaluating the sources!! However, always, please, copy back these discussions into the talk page of the ship concerned. Otherwise we may reinvent the wheel at a later date!! Buckshot06 (talk) 07:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Rate of promotion

I was idly reading articles on American officers when I came across David E. Jeremiah, who was promoted from commodore to full admiral in a space of only four years between 1983 and 1987. Is/was this rate of promotion usual for senior Americans, or was Jeremiah just especially good? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

It's unusual, but Colin Powell's tour as CJCS was unusual. Filling out his career might provide some answers; there may also be, like Colin Powell, some strong political connections.

Once he was a flag officer (briedly in the '80s, the Navy called a one-star a Commodre), his promotion was not unusual. He was a little long as a captain and impressed Lehman who thought he should get a flag. As the Reagan administration began to expand to the goal of a 600-ship navy continued, more flag billlets opened up. Lehman picked him for one. Once he was a flag, he did well. For comparison, look at William Owens (admiral). Boo Boo (talk) 12:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hoax article?

Stephen Thomas (naval officer)

Rear Admiral Chris Parry has denounced this article as a hoax on Twitter, stating that the officer in the picture is a different Steve Thomas and not the aviator in the Falklands War. I am retired and haven't the time to investigate but just bringing this here, hopefully someone can check please. Maybe an enthusiastic newbie made a mistake rather than a deliberate hoax? WCM_email 06:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Dormskirk. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

The DSC citation and the material sourced from the Smithsonian Magazine seems genuine enough. On the other hand some of the detail is unsourced e.g. his early life, and there are a lot of missing page numbers. I suggest that the image is removed and the article is draftified until improvements are made. Dormskirk (talk) 12:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

⚔

⚔ (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for discussion at WP:RFD. Do we have an article that covers the usage of this symbol on historical/tourist maps, as a marker of a battlesite? -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 20:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox about a war

Please see Talk:Russian Civil War#Choose an infobox. This is an RFC about how much information should be in the infobox. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposed nuclear bombing of Córdoba

Editors might like to have a look at this new article copied from Spanish wiki. It strikes me as fanciful based on a New Statesmen article and backed up by comments by Mitterands psychoanalyst reported in the Guardian together with 3 Spanish sources. Does it fall under extraordinary claims ned extraodinary sources? Lyndaship (talk) 06:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. (Hohum ^@) 20:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I have just sent it to AFD. Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Proposed nuclear bombing of Córdoba. Kahastok talk 16:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Earl Van Dorn

I've started a discussion at Talk:Earl Van Dorn#"Greatest to have ever lived" regarding the appropriateness or lack thereof of referring to Van Dorn as "considered one of the greatest cavalry commanders to have ever lived". Further input would be appreciated. Hog Farm _Talk 19:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Northrop Grumman EA-6B Prowler#Requested move 23 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northrop Grumman EA-6B Prowler#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Schierbecker (talk) 22:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye#Requested move 23 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Schierbecker (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Northrop Grumman E-8 Joint STARS#Requested move 23 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northrop Grumman E-8 Joint STARS#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Schierbecker (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israel in the Iran–Iraq War#Requested move 16 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel in the Iran–Iraq War#Requested move 16 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

References question

Is there a policy on using refbegin and refend in bibliographies? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 10:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

not AFAIK. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

It's taken a while but I found Template:Refbegin that helps, apparently it's optional. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Its only real uses are to govern the number of columns and things like indents. Its negative effect is shrinking the text size by 10% or so; just enough to require me to need my glasses when I don't need them to read the rest of the article. That feature's not doing vision-impaired readers any favors.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Seventh Regiment and Provisional 114th Regiment?

I'm working on Richard Harper Laimbeer, and found this biographical piece about him from 1901 that says "He is a veteran of the Seventh Regiment, and during the war with Spain he was a Major in the Provisional 114th Regiment." Can I assume that the former refers to the 7th Cavalry Regiment or could it mean something else? And what was (or is) a Provisional Regiment? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

What do RS say? Slatersteven (talk) 13:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what sources to consult to identify these regiments; if you know, please point me in the right direction. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

What I meant was no, you can't assume anything. Slatersteven (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The "Seventh Regiment" is the 7th New York Militia Regiment. He is listed as a major in this book celebrating the centennial of the regiment (at the time serving as judge advocate to the Second Brigade). Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

This source provides his service history up to 1904. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! That link is very helpful. I see it mentions 114th Regiment without the "provisional" qualification; that can't refer to the 114th New York Infantry Regiment, since that ceased to exist in 1865. Would that be the 114th New York Militia Regiment, in that case, and there's just not an article yet? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

According to what I can see in that source, the 114th Regiment (in this incarnation, at least) disappeared in Dec 1898. Every officer listed in that source was moved to the supernumerary list during that month. According to the NY AG report from 1889 (pp 8-12) the 114th existed from May to December of that year and was then mustered out. Intothatdarkness 15:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I won't redlink the 114th in that case, as it existed for so short a time it may not be separately notable. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Nirmohgarh (1702)

Battle of Nirmohgarh (1702) has been nominated for deletion, but not noticed to this project. Per my quick look, with sources I have added to the discussion, at appears that there was such a battle in 1700. BD2412 T 14:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Elmslie Typology deletion discussion

Noticed this deletion discussion on a MILHIST article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Elmslie_typology The typology is one for swords. Don't know why it hasn't been notified here. Monstrelet (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)