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Intro page[edit]

This is the intro page for the WikiMed Medical Encyclopdia app as seen here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kiwix.kiwixcustomwikimed

Emmanuel Engelhart is the amazing programmer that has brought it to life.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc James: Looks interesting. Where is the source code for this app? Is there a particular reason it is not developed as a Wikimedia project?--Anders Feder (talk) 07:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Emmanuel is with Wikimedia-CH and does Kiwix. Source code should be available. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Right, the source code for Kiwix can be found through kiwix.org. I was unable to find anything for this particular 'variant' (WikiMed Medical Encyclopedia), though. @Kelson: Is/will this project be hosted somewhere?--Anders Feder (talk) 08:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the praises, but this is mostly the work of two colleagues of the Kiwix project. Kiwix is a Wikimedia project and is sponsored by WikimediaCH. All the source code you need is in the Kiwix repo, have a look to the README file. Kelson (talk) 08:16, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thanks.--Anders Feder (talk) 09:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am not understanding: "this is mostly the work of two colleagues of the Kiwix project". How was this funded?96.52.0.249 (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This was was done during our last one week hackathon which was funded (accomodation/travel costs) by WikimediaCH. Kelson (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It was you, User:Kelson? And who else? How were you invited to the event (and your partner), if so? Why choose medical articles?96.52.0.249 (talk) 20:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We have been collaborating on putting together an offline version of medical articles since London last year. A number of chip manufacturer are interested in shipping phones to the developed world pre loaded with this content / this app. Thus there is the potential for 350 million copies going out. The phone manufacturers are interested in medical articles as am I. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone are invited to the hackathons, AFAIK, i.e. it is public events. Still, it would be a good idea to make the source code behind the "WikiMed Medical Encyclopedia" version of Kiwix available somewhere, so others can contribute.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it not here http://sourceforge.net/p/kiwix/kiwix/ci/master/tree/ Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, that appears to be the mainline Kiwix release. It is the same URL that one gets to if clicking "Browse repository" -> "Kiwix" from kiwix.org, and there is no mention of the medical encyclopedia in the README file.--Anders Feder (talk) 07:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We obviously develop agnostic technologies and you need therefore to read the paragraph "Android Custom App". If you want to dive in the code, this is really welcome, but please use Kiwix traditional communication solutions. We focus here on the content part of the app. Kelson (talk) 09:29, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That paragraph mentions "bundled zim files". Where is the bundled zim file for the WikiMed Medical Encyclopedia?--Anders Feder (talk) 10:03, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here [1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That was the piece I was missing. Could it be added to the project page in some fashion? I found this address too, which has no timestamp, and so presumably always points to the latest version.--Anders Feder (talk) 11:29, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Which project page? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The one labelled "Project page" above in the tab next to the "Talk" tab on the present page.--Anders Feder (talk) 12:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is the intro page to the app in question. Rather than a project page for the app in question. We should develop a project page. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can I begin one at a subpage to the intro page or would there be a better location?--Anders Feder (talk) 12:25, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay created a project page for the app here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/App Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:29, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of transparency[edit]

I recommend some sort of page explaining the development of this app. Many Apps require-payment/are-not-free; any potentional customer coming through an app store who happens on this app will wonder why the app was developed by wikipedia, a nonprofit, and what sort of financial arrangement existed to ensure the completion of the app.96.52.0.249 (talk) 16:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So that would go here than [2]?
We already mention it is free here [3] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

German translation[edit]

Dear Doc James, I revised the German translation of the Textbook, see de:Wikipedia:Redaktion Medizin/Open Textbook of Medicine. However, there are some questions remaining. Andrea Kamphuis posted some further questions a while ago. Maybe you can help us.

  • The order of chapters and links is strictly alphabetical in the English version. Do the different language versions have to overlap each other or are we free to change the order of entries on de.wikipedia?
You are free to change the order. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes many conditions are within to subject matter areas. I am happy if you move them around. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Low back pain is listed under Rheumatology. To my limited understanding most cases of Low back pain have nothing to do with Rheumatology.
Yes agree most cases are not. Typically it is emergency medicine or primary care. Sometimes it is however related to rheumatology which is why we placed it their. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who is the recipient of the content? Medical doctors, patients? We need to know since we have to decide whether to use medical or common terms.
In English we are using common terms as both physicians and patients will understand them. We are seeing a great deal of us by medical students and they appreciate the simple language. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the criteria of an entry being chosen for this list? Availability of a featured or good article on en.wikipdia? Or a general overiew of important medical subjects regardless of article rating?
These were key diseases and conditions I pulled together. The list can be changed. All the ones listed on the English list have had their leads improved in English. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Best regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 06:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These are all great questions. I do not have answers. It seems that the set of books has an unintentional English-language bias and also some challenges with grouping issues into categories. I imagined that this book was an experimental prototype and only imagined for a general audience. Anyone may make wiki-changes to it and in the case of low back pain and asperger it sounds like there are reasons to consider rearranging categories. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gereon K. answered the questions. User:Bluerasberry this page is the intro to the offline medical app. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tools - Snellen chart? (Related?)[edit]

I would like to incorporate this tool, as it is simple, and can detect immediate vision issues. Is this project strictly medical knowledge, or tools also? Either way, I will put it here, and wait for feedback! Snellen chart and also: Medical thermometer

Twillisjr (talk) 20:33, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Snellen chart is already part of WPMED so is in the app. Articles lead needs to be brought to a good standard before it is included into this list. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:33, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New version[edit]

Being drafted here

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc James: Would it be worth adding a link on the mainspace page? Is OTM2 used as the effective table of contents for the kiwix internet in a box? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 02:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Evolution and evolvability which mainspace page? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Doc James: ah, I didn't notice that OTM and OTM2 shared a talkpage. I mean mentioning OTM2 on the page for OTM to let anyone coming across OTM know that there's an updated version. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 03:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Additional topic ares[edit]

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:55, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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