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This article was nominated for deletion on 22 May 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.

A fact from Elizabeth L. Gardner appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 July 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Elizabeth L. Gardner served as a WASP during World War II and was the subject of a well-known photo (pictured)?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth L. Gardner

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Gardner in the pilot's seat of a Martin B-26 Marauder

~~... that Elizabeth L. Gardner served as a WASP and was the subject of an iconic photo?~~ Source: Mural
- ALT1: ... that Elizabeth L. Gardner (pictured) served as a WASP and was the subject of an iconic photo? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fay E. Davis

5x expanded by 7&6=thirteen (talk), Sam Sailor (talk), MilborneOne (talk), Cavie78 (talk), Penny Richard (talk), Parsecboy (talk), TeriEmbrey (talk), GreenC (talk) Megalibrarygirl (talk) and Erfson (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC) .[reply]

Note: Currently at AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth L. Gardner. Nomination on hold until it is closed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:42, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per the closer: "The result of the discussion was keep." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Photo could have been used - it is a featured pic Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT! approved. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – just a drive-by comment, but might I suggest a hook that mentions that she (at least twice?) jumped out of a crashing air plane during test flights and lived. I think that's really interesting and rare, especially for a woman in 1945. – Levivich 01:25, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

notability

This really does need some RS establishing notability, not all airmen are notable, not even female ones.Slatersteven (talk) 19:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And still not seeing it.Slatersteven (talk) 14:11, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, courageous but I dont see anything special over the thousands of other WASPs that dont have articles. MilborneOne (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This was far too early to move from draft, despite the fact I had said months ago (last year) this needed better sourcing.Slatersteven (talk) 17:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this article now renders this whole discussion wrong, if not remarkably moot. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:05, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Elizabeth L. Gardner to Women Airforce Service Pilots, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Text and references copied from Women Airforce Service Pilots to Elizabeth L. Gardner, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Text and references copied from Martin B-26 Marauder to Elizabeth L. Gardner, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Quality sources available here: [1] - it's a for-pay database access but Wikipedia members have access via WP:REX on request. -- GreenC 22:38, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Photo added to DYK nomination

This file was provided to Wikimedia Commons by the National Archives and Records Administration as part of a cooperation project. The National Archives and Records Administration provides images depicting American and global history which are public domain or licensed under a free license. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:45, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen a few colorized versions; this one is my favorite: [2]. Not sure if we can use it or would want to, but IMO it really brings the subject to life. – Levivich 03:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. However, I don't think that image is licensed for use here. User:Hawkeye7, am I right? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 09:53, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. That version is not free. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:58, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my view it's just as well we can't. The colorization of her looks OK enough, but the apparently cloudy sky in the original has been washed to open blue, and the aircraft surface looks horrid. That surface is polished aluminum and should look like it; instead it looks like it's gone through an acid bath. The effect on the reflection of her arm in the surface is particularly odd. To be fair, the polished surface would make this a very challenging photo to colorize well, since you'd have to guess on the surrounding environment that the surface is reflecting. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 06:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent name

Throughout the article, the person is referred to by the name Gardner. But in the 2nd paragraph of the Military career section, she is referred to as "Gardiner". Why? 216.239.68.35 (talk) 01:56, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK page views

"28,169 page views. Not too shabby! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Training

There should be more information about her training besides "2 days under Paul Tibbets." No one learns to fly an airplane in 2 days. Not even 2 weeks. Joe Gerardi (talk) 18:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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