Talk:The Central (nightclub)

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@WillK97 after declining I dug a little more and found another source and trimmed poorly sourced content but I am on the about the sources being enough to support a stand-alone article. I noticed on your talk page in response to the first decline you mentioned other sources that were not online, which is fine. What other sources do you have that have written in-depth about the club? Note ads and the like are not usable.

Also pinging @JSFarman who might be familiar with The Central and might be able to help and/or offer another opinion. I have searched Newspapers.com, Internet Archive and Google Books but one of the issues is "The Central" is broad so I had to amend my searches with additional criteria, such as "The Central on Sunset" or searching the address which may have excluded sources. S0091 (talk) 20:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thanks for the ping, @ S0091! I would love to see an article published. I spent a lot of time at the Central way back when and I will look for more references this evening. JSFarman (talk) 22:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a tough search. The closest I got to results was with a "Tuesday night Jam" search, but that brought up the LA Mag reference that's already used and a couple of blurbs in the LA Weekly. I tried to search with Belushi, Chuck E. Weiss and the Goddamn Liars, and Rickie Lee Jones. I even asked if anyone had written about the Central in a rock critics group I'm in. (So far only one response, but I can't find the article he referred to.)

There is an edit-a-thon at the West Hollywood Library on the 17th. I will check physical sources when I'm there. (The Central was technically in West Hollywood.) If you're in LA you should come! JSFarman (talk) 04:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JSFarman I'm glad my hunch about you being familiar with the Central was correct and fingers crossed for finding at least another good source. Thanks for the invite but I am no where near LA...maybe WillK97 is though. :) S0091 (talk) 20:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JSFarman glad to have been connected with you! If you spent a lot of time at The Central, you probably met my aunts Lynda and Ellyn who both worked there. I'm sure you probably ran into my granddad Bill as well. Thank you for helping out, I'm hoping your search will be successful. It's been hard to find sources which is why I started the Facebook page. WillK97 (talk) 23:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, thank you for the feedback and for connecting me to @JSFarman It was a huge help. Secondly, my sources are only relegated to old photos and physical momentos, no articles. I am also the grandson of the owner mentioned in the article, Bill Knorr, for what it’s worth. My goal with this article was to create a page separate from the Viper Room to focus the information on the legacy of The Central without leaning too much on the Viper Room, which very much overshadows the subject. It's challenging, but I was hoping that if the page was created, more people who went to The Central would come out of the woodwork and build on the page that I've created with more sources directly mentioning The Central. WillK97 (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@S0091 sorry forgot to mention you. WillK97 (talk) 23:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WillK97 Cool! I also agree the Viper Room overshadows the history. While searching for sources about The Central, I have mumbled more than once "I don't care about the Viper!". Hopefully @JSFarman will be able find at least one solid in-depth source. Another option is making the article 8852 Sunset Boulevard which would cover the Central along with Melody Maker, Nasty McNasty, etc. There would only be a sentence or two about the Viper as reader's would be directed to the main article. I found this from West Hollywood History. Not much about the Central and given it's a blog, I am not sure it would qualify as a WP:reliable source but it offers some great clues and they might be able to help with finding sources. WillK97 (Bill's namesake?), if an article about 8852 ends up being the route, we use redirects for search terms to direct reader's to the appropriate article so one would be made for The Central, along with the others. S0091 (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is my favorite talk page conversation ever. Usually I cringe when I am pinged! Thanks to you both. We will get this done! JSFarman (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JSFarman I think we lost WillK97. Were you able to find anything? If not, do you think this has a decent chance surviving an AfD? S0091 (talk) 17:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I’ve been MIA. Just had a baby so my life had been consumed by all of that. WillK97 (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]