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About the title again

Changing the title to "2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting" was completely pointless, just as it was pointless to change the title of "1993 Aurora shooting" to "1993 Aurora, Colorado, shooting". There were no shootings in other places named Aurora in 1993 and 2012, or if there were, they were not notable enough to have Wikipedia articles. Whose idea was this? --Pjoona11 (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fully concur. The year and name of city alone is sufficient to distinguish the various incidents. --Coolcaesar (talk) 22:22, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. And it would solve the awkward MOS:GEOCOMMA mess. 1993 Aurora shooting and 2012 Aurora shooting should do it. Probably need another RM discussion to get there. Dicklyon (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would think that the title should include the word, "Theater," i.e., 2012 Aurora theater shooting. Activist (talk) 20:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to 2012 Aurora theater shooting. There's a consensus to move here with a split as to the target, but this title appears to address most people's concerns.(non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 15:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting → Aurora theater shooting – It would make more sense to call it the “Aurora theater shooting” than the current title because more people recognize it as the “Aurora theater shooting” as opposed to “2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting”, and it makes no sense to call it the current name because no other notable shootings happened in Aurora, Colorado in 2012, or anywhere else named Aurora. MountainDew20 (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but "cinema" would be better than the ambiguous "theater" Michaelmalak (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is written in American English, so "cinema" would not work. And, in any case, "cinema" is also ambiguous since it can mean films in general. InfiniteNexus (talk) 08:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article body already uses the word "cinema" and facility's name itself derives from "cinema". Michaelmalak (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I (and I imagine many voters) am indifferent as to: cinema vs theater — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 17:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If memory serves "Colorado" was added to distinguish from 2019 Aurora, Illinois shooting – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 23:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that didn’t happen in 2012. I would understand if it happened the same year, but there were no (at least notable) mass shootings in Aurora, Illinois in 2012. MountainDew20 (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fair thing, but doesn't apply since the Aurora Illinois shooting was at a company, not a theater. I think location probably does distinguish them pretty well, and I would support this name change even if it does take us a little farther from "standard" since it is much more colloquial and in line with how news agencies and scholars discuss the event. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 00:54, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. A large aspect of the notoriety of this case is that it happened at a movie theater. This is far less ambiguous and more in line with how people discuss it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 16:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral – Honestly there doesn't seem to be a common theme here. A discussion about this type of article naming existed for the 2022 Buffalo shooting and many people responded and it ended being about 50/50: see here. I will say that if it is renamed it should at least be titled 2012 Aurora theater shooting. Inexpiable (talk) 14:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t see why the year should be put in the title as no one would confuse it with another shooting in a theater in a place called Aurora. I could maybe go with “Aurora, Colorado theater shooting” but I still feel that simply “Aurora theater shooting” would work best. MountainDew20 (talk) 14:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change - I don't think this matters too much anyway, as there are many different names that could distinguish this shooting, anything from "Aurora theater shooting" to "Dark knight rises massacre" could work. That being said, I do think Colorado in the title is unnecessary, and I think "Aurora theater shooting" is the best option. - Genberg47 (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to 2012 Aurora theater shooting. I agree with the nom (and others) who argue that "theater" is a more helpful disambiguator than Colorado for identifying the most distinctive circumstances of this shooting. That said, WP:NCWWW guides us to (usually) include the year in the titles of event articles, and I think it'd be helpful to follow that guidance here as well. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TBH people are very inconsistent when applying NCWWW, especially with shootings. With a lot of famous cases the common name overrides the year bit and so that is not included. I'm not really sure. I wish we had more consistency, at least. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Calling it the 2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting is too lengthy and unnecessary tbh. Everyone knows it as the Aurora shooting or the Aurora theater shooting.

Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 10:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Insensitive Wording

"just after the 1999 Columbine High School massacre." sounds like its referring to time but its 13 years apart. Then I realized its meaning "just behind" as in 2nd place, then I read the rest of the paragraph. " At the time, the event had the largest number of victims (82) in one shooting in modern U.S. history.[6] This number was later surpassed by the 107 victims of the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting and eventually the 927 victims of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting."

I find this whole section to be insensitive towards the victims in any of these incidents. It comes across as if there is some kind of competition to list the most fatal shootings in American history. I wanted to edit this myself but I respect the original contributor and would like to offer the opportunity for them to reword this themselves, in a more respectful tone.

I'm not questioning the accuracy of the statistics but as I said before, it comes across in a disrespectful light. Please edit this paragraph.

Sincerely, Jaybee JayMaybee (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to Vegas shooting

This article as written implies there were 927 deaths in Vegas but this number would include both indjuries and deaths. 2600:1700:31D7:80:14F5:3A6E:91D7:122B (talk) 22:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]