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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 12:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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  • "runners up" debating over whether this should be hyphenated...
    Sure. Seems like it's that way in dictionaries.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "highest gate for" I would say attendance.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link "volley" (and in the main prose).
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a last minute " definitely "last-minute"
    But what if it meant the last of a series of very small attacks?! Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Coventry won 3–1 to " OH REALLY?
    🤦. Where on earth would such a sentence come from?! Fixed.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "unsuccessful finishing" comma betwixt.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • You suddenly add EFL : "from EFL League"...
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "At the end of the season..." sentence is too long and repeats League One/Two... split which may help both.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "knock-out" is not linked to what you had hoped for...
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "edition the" of.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No apostrophe in Queen's Park Rangers.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "victorious by 2–1 " odd phrasing for me, maybe "won 2–1"
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Kassam Stadium.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "rout" is a bit POV.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "2016–17 Football League Trophy" EFL Trophy.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 12 doesn't back up the teams in Group D.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should Southern Group D be capitalised as a formal title?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In their first match" reiterate Cov, last team mentioned was West Ham academy.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "setting a record " set.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • General: is it worth a footnote explaining why Cov are playing in Brum? You mentioned the stadium move and as that's quite a rarity (for most of us) perhaps it needs a bit of background.
    This match was actually before the move to Brum, which was at the end of the 18-19 season. The fact refers to the attendance at the Ricoh Arena (which was mentioned in the previous sentence), since Cov moved there in 2005. I have added the year to clarify that point.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ruben Lameiras has a diacritic on his u.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm really not a fan of that table format, it's confusing enough for me and I understand the format. Also is it MOS:ACCESS compliant? Embedding one table inside another is grim...
    The format was a modified version of 2019 UEFA Champions League Final#Road to the final, which I assumed was the general way to layout a route-to-the-final section with a group stage and knockout. 2018_FIFA_World_Cup_Final#Road_to_the_final also has something similar, with prose too, but I preferred the format with each team's run within their section rather than in a huge wide thing at the top. Maybe we can run it by WT:FOOTY to get some input on the recommended format?  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any reason that Crawley isn't linked?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "they fielded a weakened team " who's they?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Sky Blues' " introduce the nickname.
    I've just switched it to "Coventry" rather than complicate things, as it only seems to be used once. I've changed the next sentence to "City", which hopefully is clear enough even for those not familiar with the nickname?  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Marvin Sordell scored .." unless ambiguous, no need to normally repeat first names.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "their best football of the tournament so far. " subjective, if someone is claiming this, attribute it.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link "penalty".
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Adnan Maric," diacritic on the c.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link header.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "quarter final" vs "semi-final" hyphenation or nay?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " and it was" -> "which was".
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " striker Adebayo Akinfenwa. Akifenwa pulled " Akinfenwa Akinfenwa....
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Different links for Chelsea Academy.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "southern Group C" capital S.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in late August." I would hyphenate, but hey...
    I think it's probably more correct not to hyphenate, unless it's "a late-August hurricane" or whatever?  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with a penalty. Goals" unlink because you'll link it before.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "but strikes by" I would say "from" rather than "by".
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " with multiple yellow" how many?
    Clarified.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "due to the unusual format of the competition, the winner scoring two points in the group table and the loser just one" this feels like an odd place to start describing the competition format. Probably better to discuss this when talking about the trophy format in general. And "just one" point for the loser seems a strange way to put it when they normally get zero points.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " following defeats" two?
    Yes. Added.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kane Hemmings scored an equaliser" link Kane.
    He was already linked in the background section.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "would take the bonus point." first mention of this.
    Amended per above changes on penalty shoot-out.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "hosted Scunthorpe United. Scunthorpe dominated" quick repeat.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Chelsea were... Chelsea therefore " repetitive.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "goalkeeper Simon" no need.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "had beaten all the defenders. " truly?
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hemmings. Hemmings" you know...
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "from a seated position" curious wording.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That takes me to the Match section. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oldham is an A.F.C.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "including Chris Stokes for Ollie Clarke " not 100% certain if that's in or out.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jodi Jones. " no need for Jodi.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "full strength side " hyphenate?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " singing loudly. After a quiet opening" strange contradiction, I know you meant the game was uneventful initially but reads odd...
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " a Gaël Bigirimana goal," no need fo Gael.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Burundian, if international then you could link the national team.
    I've added that he is Burundian with a link on the first mention.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Jordan.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link corner.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " with striker Chris Maguire" no need for Chris.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ryan Haynes made contact with Kane Hemmings" likewise.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Attacking on the break following the Coventry attack...." attack attack ..... (no, not Man Utd)
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Marvin Johnson received" no need for Marv.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "whistle blew" "whistle was blown"
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Coventry Telegraph in" overlinked and should be in italics.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's up to the Second half. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • "and there were no changes by" ->"with no changes made by"
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kane Hemmings then" de-Kane
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " thought he'd been" no contractions.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stuart Beavon - no need for his first name (also I missed it a couple of sections earlier too).
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "when George Thomas beat " same.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • And Sercombe.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "fired in" little journalese.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link free kick.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "they finally got on the scoresheet" again, a little journalistic.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Followed by two short short sentences.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you should have linked Rob Hall in the First half section and thus lose his first name here.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "seemed likely to be sent off," speculative, not encyclopdic.
    Amended.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I may be just making this up, but I seem to recall that kit depictions should have their logos removed. I see some swooshes there on Cov.
    I have no idea, to be honest. It seems to be generated using a pattern called "_nikeblack" on the {{Football kit}} template. There are such swooshes seen on Manchester City's shirt at 2019 FA Cup Final GA, and also some on the Cov kit at the 2018 EFL League Two play-off Final article (which, apparently, is also listed as a GA... who knew?!)  — Amakuru (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where are player nationalities referenced?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "George Thomas was " -george. Could say "Coventry's George"?
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mark Robins commented" de-Mark.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " of Millwall for" Pipe has typo.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " the League Trophy" EFL Trophy.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark and Michael begone.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check ref titles for spaced hyphens, should be spaced en-dashes.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scorelines in ref titles should also use en-dashes.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • A lot of the league reports for BBC Sport are provided by Press Association, that should be reflected in the references.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Guardian" should be in italics.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 38 work should be in i÷talics.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • And ref 40.
    Done.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I think I've looked at all your points now. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy with it all. But one thing is nagging, and it's "It was played between Coventry City and Oxford United, both of League One, and decided the winner of the 2016–17 EFL Trophy, a knockout tournament for the 48 teams in League One and League Two and 16 Category One Academy sides representing teams from the Premier League and EFL Championship. " which is somewhat of a Beowulf-style sentence. If we split this nicely, I think we're done. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru just this final point holding up promotion... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: apologies, I had completely missed this. I've reworded it into shorter sentences now, let me know what you think. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru yeah, no worries, happy now so promoting. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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