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Title[edit]

Recommend changing the title of this page to 2018 Southern California landslides. South Carolina is not generally used for this area - it's place in Wikipedia is as a disambiguation page. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 01:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What? Alex of Canada (talk) 05:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

Because the "cause" description is so long, it creates a line break after each part of "non-fatal injuries". For me it renders non- (break) fatal (break) injuries. If we force a line break anywhere in the description param, it fixes it (but also makes said description look a bit unnatural). I know this is very, very minor, but is it bothering anyone else? Killiondude (talk) 07:25, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Landslides[edit]

The second line says "An estimated 0.5 inches (13 mm) of rain fell within a five-minute period at approximately 3:30 a.m., causing mud and boulders from the Santa Ynez Mountains to flow down creeks and valleys into Montecito.[15]"

The precipitation rate cited in the LA Times article is not properly attributed. The Times article says that half an inch per hour would cause debris flow generation, based on historical data. That should be interpretation of historical data, attributed to USGS research, not cited in the Times article. Attribution of this precipitation rate is incomplete. The USGS is saying that if debris flow was produced, then it rained half an inch/hour. The Times article says it rained half an inch in 5 minutes. That's extremely high precipitation rate and the source is not cited (unless one of the journalists was out in the Santa Ynez Mountains measuring rain at 3:30 am). I suggest that the half an inch per 5 minutes be removed from the article, or properly attributed. Or replaced with "intense precipitation" as that is not provocative. Erthygy (talk) 11:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems the original source of 0.5 inch in 5 minutes is an NWS, Los Angeles Tweet https://twitter.com/NWSLosAngeles/status/950785251520995333 The USGS says that as little as 0.3 inch in 30 minutes has, elsewhere, triggered debris flow https://ca.water.usgs.gov/wildfires/wildfires-debris-flow.html I would expect to find description of the source gauges at the NWS, LA home page, under cooperative observation stations.

Erthygy (talk) 06:43, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Missing bodies[edit]

This article erroneously claims that only one of the bodies was never recovered, when in fact the body of Jack Cantin was also never found. The article uses a reference that states his remains were found by UCSB students in 2021, however DNA testing earlier this year proved the recovered bones were from a cow, so he is still missing. 2600:8802:5320:7100:54A6:86C5:71FA:6399 (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]