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On 20 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to 2022 Colorado Springs nightclub shooting. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Club Q shooting suspect ran neo-Nazi site, used gay slurs, detective testifies ― The Washington Post, Feb. 22, 2023

Anti-drag sentiment category

User:Korny O'Near has decided for himself that somehow this page has nothing to do with the category "anti-drag sentiment" and so has undid revisions twice (here and here) in less than 24 hours. The user has a long history of edit warring topics related to political violence according to their talk page. They were blocked once in 2020 for two weeks for edit-warring and have warned more than a dozen times since then.

Can we get some input/consensus from uninvolved users about whether this page deserves to be placed in "category:anti-drag sentiment"? Kire1975 (talk) 19:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the category is relevant. The gunman opened fire just as Club Q was wrapping up its weekly Saturday evening drag show. Also, a shooter turned a drag queen’s birthday celebration into a massacre. There's many more, but you get the idea. And Korny, before you reply to this with some twisted wall of text, do us all a favor and... don't. It will be a waste of your time. Wes sideman (talk) 13:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: It's "gunperson" not "gunman"! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 06:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incredible how you people are so obnoxious about using someone's preferred pronouns except for this one person, an anti-LGBTQ mass shooter. 2804:389:3100:2D1:ADA6:477A:D06D:453B (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Their pronouns are possibly a blatant lie, actually. Hope this helps! TheWorldWeKnew (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we shouldn't use them, then! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 23:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the totally irrelevant (and mostly incorrect) description of me. But I too am curious to hear what people have to say. I would say WP:RUMOR, WP:NONDEF and WP:BLP are all relevant here. Korny O'Near (talk) 20:33, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just dropping in to confirm that the description of Korny is mostly correct, and it is, in fact, relevant; when the history of one's edits all go in one very POV direction, it's safe to get past "assume good faith" and move to "this editor has an agenda." For editors unfamiliar with Korny's recent work, please pop on over to Libs of TikTok to see Korny's recent white-washing attempts there. To be clear: this is in no way a personal attack. I'm just pointing out that Korny makes edits that all go in one very particular direction on the political spectrum. Do with that information what you will. Wes sideman (talk) 13:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly deserves to be included with the anti-drag sentiment category. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously deserves the "anti-drag sentiment" category. TheWorldWeKnew (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Protected Edit Request

He’s not Mormon. 2600:1700:2D2A:E000:C019:D2D4:39DE:6F1B (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done unclear request. Please rephrase as “change X to Y” and provide a good reason with evidence. Dronebogus (talk) 11:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's "they", not "he"! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 22:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a murderer..it's like calling Randy Stair a lady, when HE was a HE, this guy's gonna rot in Prison (and Hell), os who gives a dang? 2603:8090:1504:278A:2CD8:4ADC:2A23:B549 (talk) 23:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s outrageous to pander to this persons pronouns.

Unconstructive discussion: WP:NOTAFORUM

Fuck him. Making a mockery of his victims. Joehutzman1995 (talk) 22:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It says in the article that they was a victim of online bullying during they's childhood. Perhaps if we'd used the proper pronoun sooner, they wouldn't have felt the need to do this! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 23:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence bears little resemblance to the English language. WWGB (talk) 00:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's backed up by "consensus", though. I guess we're no longer the "English language" Wikipedia! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 00:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

“It says in the article that they *were a victim of online bullying during *their childhood. Perhaps if we'd used the proper pronoun sooner, they wouldn't have felt the need to do this!”

This is not the correct way to use singular they and no person I know who is pro-singular they talks like this. I feel like you are exclusively basing your analysis of the other side off of memes.

Singular they has been used in English for hundreds of years. In fact, you have most likely used singular they in the correct, grammatical way without even noticing. I’ll also assume you don’t say ‘you was’ even though ‘you’ used to be a plural pronoun and still uses the plural form of verbs to this day.
TheArrogantWriter (talk) 06:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC) — TheArrogantWriter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

You're absolutely right! Non-conventional pronouns have been a thing since time immemorial! For example, the character Gollum from Lord of the Rings used we/our pronouns. [[:File:Gollum at Wellington Airport.jpg|thumb|Gollum]] Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 15:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you amused by this situation? The shooter was most likely trolling when he said he identified as nonbinary, and you sound like you're doing the same, to be frank. 2804:389:3100:2D1:ADA6:477A:D06D:453B (talk) 16:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Non-binary shooter" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Non-binary shooter has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 4 § Non-binary shooter until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:05, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

missing citations?

The third-to-last and second-to-last paragraphs of the Wikipedia article are both lacking any references or citations. I assume they must have been accidentally deleted during past edits.

If there is anyone who is familiar with this article, please take a look. Thank you. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]