Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup qualification – AFC second round/Archive 1

Archive 1

Second Round tables

While the tables have just been copied from last time around, this link suggests that they won't be doing the play-off round thing, and that 24 teams (4 2nds, 8 3rds, 8 4ths and 4 5ths) will advance to the Asian Cup Third Round. I know that's how 2018 quals started out as, but again, the source here suggests the table information is wrong (and there certainly is no source to back the tables up as they stand) 58.111.245.69 (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sakiv: Any particular reason to change the format again?--Anbans 585 (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Please let the group tables be here on the page, as been extensively discussed here. Don't add the tables inside a template or something.--Anbans 585 (talk) 16:45, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@Anbans 585: This is the last time I let you do this to me. Next time I'll report you because of harassment. You could have easily waited until I was done returning the tables before the start of the editorial war and sending the messages.--Sakiv (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@Sakiv: Sorry, but I don't think that I harrassed you in any manner. I just asked for a citation, that's it. As quickly as I got the citation, I added the reference here. About the editorial war, I think we all agree that the policies are discuss first changes later rather than changes first discuss later.--Anbans 585 (talk) 19:34, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

This article by AFC also states that The AFC Solidarity Cup, which provides more competitive matches for the bottom 10 ranked countries (the six eliminated in the first round of the Joint Asian Qualifiers and the bottom four teams in the second round) ... So there seems to be no play-off round. --Sinryow (talk) 09:08, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

No template required probably

@Qby: Thanks for creating the individual group tables for the qualifiers but I would recommend if you would be able to revert all of that, as @Frietjes: initially added all of this after a discussion about merging it in the Wikipedia Football discussions.--Anbans 585 (talk) 09:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2019

2402:B801:2878:5700:508C:BF28:AFD1:36B0 (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

confirmed venues: Sugathadasa Stadium, Colombo Guam F.A. National Training Center, Dededo National Sports Stadium, Ulaanbaatar Bangabandhu National Stadium, Dhaka Olympic Stadium, Phnom Penh Dasarath Rangasala Stadium, Kathmandu National Stadium, Kallang Gelora Bung Karno Stadium, Jakarta National Football Stadium, Malé Mong Kok Stadium, Hong Kong Thuwunna Stadium, Yangon Ashgabat Stadium, Ashgabat Kim Il-sung Stadium, Pyongyang Pamir Stadium, Dushanbe Rajamangala National Stadium, Bangkok Bahrain National Stadium, Riffa Faisal Al-Husseini International Stadium, Al-Ram Amman International Stadium, Amman Mỹ Đình National Stadium, Hanoi Dolen Omurzakov Stadium, Bishkek Camille Chamoun Sports City Stadium, Beirut Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat Basra International Stadium, Basra Azadi Stadium, Tehran

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, looking at the same article from the last World Cup, there's not just a list of all of the venues, but rather a venue listed for each individual match. We would also need sources showing that information, if it's available at this point. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Group E

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Qatar is already qualified as host of 2022 World cup hence not participating in Round three of AFC qualifiers. How it will effect group E qualification or best runnerups table in case Qatar finished in top two of group? Need to be mentioned.Sumit Singh ^T 03:57, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@सुमित सिंह: It is already mentioned in the format section.--Sakiv (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

So if Qatar are one of the group winners or the four best runners-up, and the fifth best runner-up advances, does it mean there will be 13 automatic qualifiers to the Asian Cup from this round? Sagi2711 (talk) 17:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@Sagi2711: No, Qatar will only compete in this round to qualify for the Asian Cup. She does not participates to qualify for the World Cup.--Sakiv (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@Sakiv: So is it possible that no team could make it into the third round from group E in case Qatar top the group and runners up fail to finish in best 5.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.232.18.194 (talk • contribs)

@136.232.18.194: Yes, that's how it looks.--Sakiv (talk) 16:24, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Akhil: i think if qatar qualified first then the second team will automatically qualify for round 2. So there might no be any second best team in group E — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:2797:7132:FDB6:8D76:4859:E4ED (talk) 05:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2019

Add Panaad Stadium and Bacolod City in Philippines Schedule. 120.28.243.95 (talk) 08:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann (talk) 11:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Venues for India's home matches

News source confirming venues for India's first two home matches at Indira Gandhi Athletic Stadium, Guwahati and Salt Lake Stadium in Kolkata respectively. We should add it. | Sumit Singh ^T 05:26, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Oman goal scorer name

Many sources named him as Rabia Said "Al Mandhar" Al-Alawi, some sources showing like FIFA showing "Al Mundhir" Al-Alawi. So I think better to keep it Rabia Said Al-Alawi. Dey subrata (talk) 18:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: Al Mandhar Al Alawi as stated on AFC website, same name was used in the 2018 AFC U-23 Championship, and also at other Asian competitions, anyways any name can be used as a redirect can be created for the same. FIFA didn't had his data even after the match was finished.--Anbans 585 (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

What would be better, I think just one can create the article with Rabia Said Al-Alawi, and in the article one can add whatever sirname they want to keep with sources, Mundhir or Mandhar. Here better we keep upto Al-Alawi, so that no confusion may occur. Dey subrata (talk) 18:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Tiebreakers for runner-up and fourth-placed teams ?

Does anyone know the tiebreaks applied to rank these teams ? Schnapper (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

As the teams do not play each other, the standard tie breaking procedures should apply. If teams are level on points, it should go to goal difference, then goals scored, then fair play points as far as I know. However, as the tiebreaker link on the tables suggest, this is subject to approval by FIFA, which I know is the case for Qatar’s situation, but I am unsure if this is the case for what I described above. Although what I said above were the actual tiebreakers for the previous qualifier, which also used this format. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 15:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Group E – part 2

@JalenFolf: I have edited the note about Group E to make the note clearer about what happens to Qatar, however in tidying up the language, and then comparing against the reference, I do not believe that my edit is quite correct, and I dont believe that the text before my edit was correct either. So came to the Talk page and discovered this has partially been addressed. Thoughts ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 10:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Home venues

@Anbans 585: The venues for the 2022 qualifiers are mentioned here https://www.the-afc.com/competitions/afc-asian-cup/fixtures/

@Steel Dogg: Ya actually, that is why I initially self reverted. But later on I noticed that Kuwait's home stadium for their first fixture was incorrect there, even though the match has already been played. That is why I thought that it is better to wait for either stats.the-afc.com reports to materialize or the FIFA reports. What do you think we should do?--Anbans 585 (talk) 13:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Let's just wait until it's noted in the match details :)

"Prepare" edits of goals as they happen - Wikipedia is not a Live Score Service

I note that this article is being edited for each goal scored as it happens, under the guise of "prepare", which is definitely against notions that Wikipedia is not a Live Score Service. I have suggest on this editor's Talk Page that maybe these could occur at a Sandbox, and then copied over once verifiable sources are available to back this up. But this information is likely getting gleaned from live score services in near real time, and Wikipedia is not a real time news site. Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Ranking of Runner-up Teams and Ranking of fourth-placed teams

The table for ranking of runner-up Teams looks like it needs to be modified for China, if they are the winner of Group A or amongst the best 4 (or 5) runners up, as they are now the hosts of the 2023 AFC Asian Cup. How will that affect the outcome? Is anything announced for this possibility? This would also apply to the table here (for fourth-placed teams for the Asian Cup). Matilda Maniac (talk) 11:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: I don't think anything has been announced currently about China, the only thing officially announced currently is probably about the qualification of the 12 teams for the FIFA third round.--Anbans 585 (talk) 13:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Mongolia

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Mongolia still has a chance of qualifying to the third round as group winners. Here's what would need to happen in the group:

• Mongolia wins out
• Japan loses out
• Myanmar ties their other matches (Kyrgyzstan & Tajikistan)
• Mongolia finishes with a better goal difference than Japan

Jalen Folf (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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