Talk:Ayaz Mutallibov

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Requested move

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Ayaz Mütallibov → Ayaz Mutallibov — On Wikipedia, Azeri names with diacritics are normally fully transliterated in standart Roman letters —Parishan 21:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC) - Discussion section added by SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 12:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

Support. We should use common English spelling. Grandmaster 16:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've always been in support of this, especially on the page Ilham Aliyev. --adil 17:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. The discution about İlham Əliyev was only about wether the letter Ə was acceptable or not. It has been decided that Ə was not acceptable and the article has been renamed İlham Aliyev. And only after it was renamed by another user into Ilham Aliyev without any discussion. Švitrigaila 22:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey - in opposition to the move

Strong Oppose. Diacritic removal will only destroy accuracy of the name. Diacritics are perfectly acceptable in English.--Hús ö nd 02:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I said I don't want to take part in the vote, since his only true name is Ayaz Mütəllibov and not Ayaz Mütallibov, nor Ayaz Mutalibov. But I can't abandon those who share my mind. I strongly oppose that move from a wrong spelling to a wronger one. Švitrigaila 09:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and agree with Švitrigaila. —Nightst a llion (?) 16:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Comment. The Almighty Google actually gives precedence to the surname Mutalibov with ONE "l"; included in my search results is the NY Times. -SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 12:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Other comment His name is written with two Ls in Azeri, and with on L in Russian. Now just ask yourself why you want to use the Russian spelling of his name instead of the Azeri one, when Azerbaijan is an independent state, with Azeri as its only official language and diplomatic problems with Russia... But I won't take part of the vote: it's totally ridiculous as neither Ayaz Mütallibov, nor Ayaz Mutallibov, nor Ayaz Mutalibov, nor Ayaz Mootaliboff are his name. He is Ayaz Mütəllibov, and that's all. Look what happend to the article about Rəsul Quliyev. It was quitely named Rəsul Quliyev, and then renamed Rasul Quliyev, and then Rasul Gouliev, and then Rasul Quliyev, and now Rasul Guliyev. Once you have decided real facts can't be given, then you have an infinity of equal wrong facts you can display at your convenience! Note that the change from Q to G has been decided by the same user who tells us today we must rename the article because "On Wikipedia, Azeri names with diacritics are normally fully transliterated in standart Roman letters". As if Q was a G with a diacritic! The only purpose of this change is to recall once again that Azerbaijan must remain a Russian colony. Švitrigaila 14:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How a particular transl(iter)ation is arrived at concerns me not, nor do the political implications. I am only concerned with what the majority of English-speakers use. And a particular spelling preference no more makes me a supporter of Russian colonialism in Azerbaijan than my use of the Latin alphabet to render the name Mao Zedong makes me a proponent of British imperialism in the Far East. --SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 05:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Those names are written wrong anyway. It should be Əyaz Mütəllibov. What is the point in providing incorrect transcription? If we are to use Azeri spelling, we should use an accurate one. I personally think that we should use English spelling, as this is English encyclopedia. This applies not only to Azeri names, but to any other. Grandmaster 05:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I agree... excepted that someone from a non English speaking country has no English name. This misunderstood concept of "English name" is a plague in Wikipedian naming conventions. Only four kind of names can be "English" or "non English":
      1. Common names (and then the english article House is not named Maison);
      2. Proper names from English speaking countries (and then the English article London is not named Londres);
      3. Country names and some rare foreign city names (and then the English article Rome is not named Roma);
      4. Rare historical proper names of ancient historical figures or kings (and then the English article Christopher Columbus is not names Cristoforo Colombo, and Charles XV of Sweden is not Karl XV of Sweden).
    But ordinary proper names from non English speaking countries has no "English name". Jacques Chirac's name is Jacques Chirac and that's all. It's not his "English name". And François Mitterrand's only name was François Mitterrand; he had neither Francois Mitterrand, nor François Mitterrand as an "English name". I was even told once that Hirohito was the "English name" of Emperor Shōwa and that it was then normal that the English article was named Hirohito when all official Japanese sources, even written in English, call him Emperor Shōwa! We must stop tu use this concept of "English name" in non pertinant contexts. Švitrigaila 11:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 08:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2011

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Alpha Quadrant ^talk 18:39, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ayaz Mütallibov → Ayaz Mutalibov per WP:COMMONNAME & maybe WP:USEENGLISH

Mutallibov is more common than Mütallibov in English sources.
"Ayaz Mutalibov" -Llc (353 results) is most common.
According to Books Ngram Viewer, Ayaz Mutalibov is overwhelming others.

-- Takabeg (talk) 10:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pointless. Azeri names are generally transliterated into English through their Azeri spelling, not Russian. Let alone those of living people. Parishan (talk) 16:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Parishan, this is not Russian Wikipedia. The translation must derive from the Azerbaijani (native) spelling. This applies to all names. Neftchi (talk) 16:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's very clear that Ayaz Mütallibov is not common name of him in English sources. Takabeg (talk) 02:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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