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Section sizes

Section size for Azov Brigade (37 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	12,197	12,197
History	15	114,617
Background and founding, February–April 2014	21,680	21,680
Special Tasks Patrol Police, May 2014	15,131	15,131
Reorganisation and incorporation into the National Guard of Ukraine, November 2014	4,128	4,128
Battle of Shyrokyne, January 2015	15,864	15,864
2016–2019	3,700	3,700
Russian invasion of Ukraine	4,838	54,099
Defense of Mariupol	43,311	43,311
Other 'Azov' units	5,950	5,950
Leadership and organisation	3,112	28,076
Commanders	4,392	4,392
Status	3,401	3,401
Foreign fighters	17,171	17,171
Azov movement	11,210	24,574
Azov Civil Corps	639	639
National Corps	3,092	3,092
Youth Corps	1,400	1,400
National Militia, 2017–2020	4,929	4,929
Centuria	3,304	3,304
Human rights violations	3,311	3,311
Neo-Nazism allegations	42,828	48,347
Connection to antisemitism	5,519	5,519
International arms and training controversies	52	13,203
United States	8,056	8,056
Canada	2,293	2,293
Israel	1,432	1,432
Greece	1,370	1,370
Use in Russian propaganda and information campaigns	191	20,960
Pre-2022	8,637	8,637
Russian invasion	12,132	12,132
Sham trials in Russia	4,949	4,949
See also	188	188
References	10,166	10,166
Notes	24	24
Further reading	2,108	2,108
External links	821	821
Total	283,541	283,541

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Omer Benjakob (14 March 2022). "Russia's War on Truth: Top Wikipedia Editor Arrested Amidst Ukraine Censorship". Haaretz. Retrieved 15 March 2022. Though Putin's bogus claims of "denazifying" Ukraine were called out, in English, the article on the contemporary far-right neo-Nazi Ukrainian paramilitary group, known as the Azov Battalion, has become a battleground, with some attempts to whitewash the group and deny their use of a Nazi symbol and neo-Nazi sentiments.

Allegations[edit]

Greetings @F.Alexsandr, why have you removed [1] "Allegations" from the section title? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because its a fact, not merely allegations. F.Alexsandr (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your claim is wrong. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you are basing your alteration on your personal opinion rather than the actual article, the section contains sources with both points of view. TylerBurden (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sham trials[edit]

I see sources are pretty solid in characterizing these developments as "Sham trials". I'll add another one - Trials of Ukrainian Prisoners of War in Russia: Decay of the Combatant’s Immunity (justsecurity.org) . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I agree that it's not a fair trial. However calling it like this in the section title is not encyclopedic. Most of the sources do not use this term [2], [3], [4], [5]. Alaexis_¿question? 20:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are short news. More in-depth analyses like those above and from HRW do note that trials are a joke off justice:
A sham trial Russia has put Ukrainian prisoners of war connected with the Azov Brigade on trial for terrorism — Meduza
Ukraine: Russian sham trials of prisoners of war in Mariupol ‘illegal and unacceptable’ - Amnesty International
Russian sham trial threatens 33 UA soldiers with almost 30 years in prison / The New Voice of Ukraine (nv.ua) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US[edit]

No mention of the fact that the US Congress banned funds to Ukraine over Azov (https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis) and the ADL's assessement in 2019 (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-beyond-borders-internationalization-white-supremacy). This article is a post-2022 whitewashing propaganda piece. 167.142.48.84 (talk)

"In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connection" Slatersteven (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IN fact we have a whole section on the allegations. Slatersteven (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably this should be under allegations of antisemitism. The article puts the allegations all over the place to make the pre-2022 allegations less definitive then they are. 167.142.48.84 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the statement "In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections." is under "International arms and training controversies" 167.142.48.84 (talk) 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NeoNazi designation[edit]

shouldn't we include a note that they are/were a neo nazi group? [6]https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-azov-battalion-the-neo-nazis-of-ukraine/article65239935.ece [7]https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ BarakHussan (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading through the talk page archives if you really think this is the first time someone asks this, or better yet, read the article itself which contains 137 instances of the word "Nazi". TylerBurden (talk) 21:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]