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On 31 March 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Battle of Odessa (2022) to Odessa during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. The result of the discussion was Moved.

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On 4 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Bombing of Odesa (2022–present) to Odesa strikes (2022–present). The result of the discussion was moved.

Change title to "Shelling (or bombing) of Odessa"

makes more sense as russian troops havent landed in the region yet. 187.39.133.201 (talk) 23:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, Russian ground troops have never been anywhere near Odessa and no landing attempts have taken place, there has been no "battle" so far and by the looks of it, there might never be. As of now, "Bombing of Odessa" is the only title that could be properly warranted. --195.225.41.202 (talk) 08:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it's not a 'battle' whatsoever and I think "Russian bombings of Odessa" would be a fitting title. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 01:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 March 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved. While there were discussions about possible other titles, consensus is for the original title proposed. There can always be a new move discussion. (non-admin closure) Garnarblarnar (talk) 00:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Odessa during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has been carried out.

Battle of Odessa (2022) → Odessa during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine – There is no "Battle of Odessa." Odessa is the third-largest city in Ukraine and also the country's most well known city; if there was really a "battle" taking place in Odessa it would have received heavy attention. What is happening is that sometimes the Russian navy will start some explosions at the city's port, and this is generally all there is to it. A clear violation of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 16:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support change Agree, no battle took place for the town. Pure OR. However, I would recommend changing to Shelling of Odessa, as was proposed in the previous (upper section). EkoGraf (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - current title follows conventions, and is much less verbose. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 18:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But I would support a merge into something like Southern Ukraine offensive. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 18:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support a change but not the suggested title. Shelling of Odessa or Bombing of Odessa] would be better. Mannysoloway (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:

The article's Russian version has been nominated for deletion: ru:Википедия:К_удалению/30_марта_2022#Бои_за_Одессу_(2022) Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 15:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support change to either shelling or bombing. Current title makes little sense. If there is later a Battle of Odessa, we can then merge this page into that one. If there isn't a Battle of Odessa, then it's fine as a standalone. Per Cuñado, I wouldn't be opposed to a full merge or AfD, but I think that should happen later down the road when the fog of war clears, as there is enough in this article to support itself for the time being. Curbon7 (talk) 22:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An alternative that is more in line with the original proposal could be a series of "Blank city in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine" articles, as there are several cities like Lviv or Vinnitsa where there have been some probably notable events (not necessarily all military) that are awkward as standalone articles but can be compiled together. Curbon7 (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support change per the above reasons – there haven't been direct clashes between Russian and Ukrainian forces. ElementSix (talk) 23:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Change. It's not a battle in any proper conventional sense. A title such as "Russian bombings of Odessa" is much more fitting. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 01:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support change to proposed title (or maybe 2022 Odessa bombings). This isn't a battle for the city yet. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support There was never a battle in Odessa. Felicia (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support How about Russian attacks on Odessa or 2022 Russian attacks on Odessa, since the city has been hit by aircraft munitions, artillery, cruise missiles, and mortar bombs? —Michael Z. 21:41, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hence the proposal for it to be "bombing" of Odessa as said above. EkoGraf (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, no battle have taken place for Odessa. Pure OR from article creators.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, no battle has taken place at Odess, only some naval shellings and airstrikes.XavierGreen (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support change to one of the following options: Russian attacks on Odessa, Shelling of Odessa, Bombing of Odessa--Staberinde (talk) 13:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Move to Shelling of Odessa, based on the nomenclature of existing articles. CentreLeftRight ✉ 19:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as no battle has taken place. However, the article also covers the (alleged) planned invasion of the city, so the suggested title Odessa during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is more fitting than any just involving the shelling of the city. --Leviavery (talk) 16:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - as of time of writing, russian ground troops are still quite a bit away from Odessa, so until ground troops get at least to the outskirts of Odessa, I'd say it isn't a battle of Odessa. They might shell the City with long-range artillery or their naval forces, or bomb it with their airforce, but until they are there on the ground in force calling it "The battle of Odessa" seems wrong. I would say, my preferred alternative would be Russian attacks on Odessa . --1234567891011a (talk) 07:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- The title "Battle of Odessa" seems really wrong. No fighting/battle has taken place over this city. Just change it. 37.30.40.201 (talk) 17:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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unsourced statements that break wp:npov

The enemy used cruise missiles to significantly break wind in the south of the Odesa Oblast.

Playing out one of the iconic messages of their mad dictator, the Rashist tried to "waste in the outhouse" the centre of Nazism. The beach toilet got destroyed.

Apart from the aggressor's hopelessly lost decency and reputation, there were no other losses.

Later in the day, using strategic aviation, the enemy conducted another missile strike with a cruise missile in the Odesa Oblast. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_bombing_of_Odessa&oldid=1089181451 )

These statements are both unsourced and not written from a neutral point of view (wikipedia does not take sides, making the use of "the enemy" inappropiate unless it's a quotation). Either source and rework them or remove them. --1234567891011a (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I was going to post here but you were quicker. At any rate, the style is distinctly unencyclopedic. 2A02:AB04:2AB:700:C9B:2520:9AC7:3D9F (talk) 09:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian claims of Russian death toll

Someone added that Ukrainian media claimed over 400 - 600 Russian killed during the Sinking of Moskva however the Source is Russian, also its a Secundary Source saying a thrid party claim also citing Arestovych saying a similar number. a) Should we include the claim, b) If soo se need a netter source, a Primary source btw. Mr.User200 (talk) 12:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– 2023 makes it look like the event is over. Also, it's more consistent with articles like Ukrainian refugee crisis (2022–present). 90.255.6.219 (talk) 12:57, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. More accurate title better serves the WP:CRITERIA. Subject before date reads more clearly. The dates are not yet fixed, so it makes sense to put them into parenthetic disambiguation and not pretend they’re part of the title. —Michael Z. 18:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural note: according to WP:GS/RUSUKR non-extended confirmed users are not allowed to participate in internal project discussions, but I am exercising my discretion not to enforce because it’s a good proposal. —Michael Z. 18:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for not doing this to me. Parham wiki (talk) 15:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support ‒ It clearly conveys that it is not over. Parham wiki (talk) 15:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Lviv isn't over (I came on Wikipedia to read up on it becuase there's just been new missiles) and neither are the rest for the forseeable future. DannyDouble (talk) 23:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2023

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Change the “2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine” to “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in the first sentence and infobox. The title has been updated 4 months ago. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 12:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sam Sailor 17:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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At the top of the source of the article, move the short description to be at the top, then move the "for the other" hatnote below that, then the protection template below that, then the date format template at the bottom before the infobox, per MOS:SECTIONORDER. 2001:464A:8D8C:0:563:48D8:E716:D22F (talk) 17:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Claimed sunk Ukrainian ship

So it has been a while and it is safe to say that Russia did not sink any Ukrainian warship in the Odessa harbor during this attack. Just check the List of former warships of the Ukrainian Navy page. The only two confirmed lost Ukrainian warships so far have been the Vinnytsia which was a decommissioned floating museum, which was scraped back into service and capsized after an airstrike in Ochakiv, and the Hetman Sahaidachny which was scuttled in Mykolaiv at the start of the war when it was feared that the Russians would take the city, before their failed attempt to cross the Bug. So what is this phantom ship that Russia claims they sunk? Why are we keeping this in the article? Scu ba (talk) 02:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request to add Odessa bombing on March 2nd. Shell hits residential area killing 12- number wounded unknown.^[1] Trm0002 (talk) 00:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 00:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Source friend in Ukraine near Teplodar roughly 20 min WNW of Odessa.

Requested move 4 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bombing of Odesa (2022–present) → Odesa strikes (2022–present) – Most strikes covered in the article were not bombing but air strikes or missile strikes. Teterev53 (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Russia has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, there are mostly missile and drone attacks. Sneeuwschaap (talk) 21:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Source friend in Ukraine near Teplodar roughly 20 min WNW of Odessa.

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