Talk:Zhang Zuolin

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Source for beginning career as a "bandit"[edit]

http://books.google.com/books?id=PNJOxyP0SqEC&pg=PA103#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 00:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your featured picture is a picture of Zhang Xueliang, not Zhang Zuolin.Walt 45805 (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 02 October 2014[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus that the move from Zhang Zuolin to Chang Tso-lin was warranted; therefore, the page has been returned to Zhang Zuolin. Dekimasuよ! 22:01, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chang Tso-lin → Zhang Zuolin – The page was moved recently without discussion or consensus. The move contradicts WP:COMMONNAME, which is why the page was moved from "Chang Tsolin" to "Zhang Zuolin" in 2005. – Ferox Seneca (talk) 00:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there's no discussion on the talk page, nor did the 2005 edit comment say anything about being the common name. Being a historical figure during the Republican Era, one would think he would be frequently appearing using the Wade-Giles version, as the internationalism of the world during this era was greater. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 04:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The edit history for the 2005 move states that it was moved to "Zhang Zuolin" because Hanyu Pinyin is "more common now". Wikipedia's guide to naming Chinese people states that "names should be written in Hanyu Pinyin unless there is a more common romanization used in English", and I don't see any evidence that this is the case here. I don't believe any other Republican warlords are listed by their Wade-Giles romanizations, so it would be very unusual not to move this page back to the pinyin form of his name.Ferox Seneca (talk) 12:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "(cur | prev) 09:25, 8 December 2005‎ Yug (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,098 bytes) (0)‎ . . (moved Chang Tso-lin to Zhang Zuolin) (undo)" -- your link isn't accessible to me, but the eidt history says this. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 07:10, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per general practice at Wikipedia (WP:NC-CHINA#Names of people) which reflects contemporary scholarship. Unless the subject was active outside of China post-1949 (e.g. Sun Li-jen in Taiwan or Li Fang-Kuei in the U.S.) or is almost exclusively known by another name in said scholarship (e.g. Sun Yat-sen, T. V. Soong), Wikipedia uses pinyin per WP:PINYIN (cf. Cao Kun, Yan Xishan, Wang Jingwei and, of course, Zhang Zuolin's own son Zhang Xueliang). — AjaxSmack 01:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- In Google Books, the usage is greater for the Wade-Giles form, W-G PY -- so more or less equal usage after 1980. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Pinyin is standard, both on Wikipedia and for modern scholarhip in general. There is no reason to make an exception for this individual. See Britannica. Claimsworth (talk) 01:58, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Wade-Giles is a more accurate transliteration Bobby Martnen (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How is Wade-Giles is more accurate? Every WG transliteration can be converted to pinyin and vice versa. There is no difference in accuracy. Pinyin has been an ISO standard since the 1980s, and most modern scholarly works (since the 1990s) use pinyin. -Zanhe (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Restore and close per WP:BRD and China MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - pinyin is the ISO and Wikipedia standard, per MOS:ZH. -Zanhe (talk) 03:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the technical move request should not have been contested to begin with. The article had been at Zhang Zuolin since 2005, until it was moved last month against the MOS:ZH guideline, without discussion, by a user who made a number of unilateral and reckless moves, most of which have been reverted. See User talk:Yucheng48. -Zanhe (talk) 03:49, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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