Talk:CHOBA B CCCP/Archive 1

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Should this be moved to "Снова в СССР"? The capitalization is merely the cover designer's format, just like "PAUL McCARTNEY" ("PAUL McCARTИEЧ"). On the other hand, then it can't be rendered as correctly in Latin letters.

How do anglophone fans pronounce the album's name? "Choba bee, see see see pee", or "Snova vee ess ess ess are"? —Michael Z. 2005-08-26 22:45 Z

Well, СССР in most English speaking countries is usually pronounced "three-see-pee", and is used far less commonly than USSR. PaZuZu 19:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. done. Nicholas 13:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The "capitalization" is not a designer using an all caps format for Latin letters. Many lowercase Cyrillic alphabet letters normally look the same as their uppercase counterparts: В=в, Г=г, Д=д, И=и, Н=н, Р=р, С=с (although cursive or handwritten forms vary more В=в, Г=г, Д=д, И=и, Н=н, Р=р, С=с).

We don't use Cyrillic titles in the English Wikipedia (see WP:UE). How is the album's name normally pronounced in English? Russian names are normally transliterated (you don't see an article about Никита Хрущев, it's Nikita Khrushchev), so this would correctly be at Snova v SSSR. On the other hand, if it's usually just called "Back in the USSR", then maybe it belongs at Back in the USSR (album). Do fans say "choba bee see-see-see-pee?"—then move it to the Latin spelling Choba B CCCP or CHOBA B CCCP. —Michael Z. 2006-02-09 19:12 Z

I think it's usually known as "the Russian album" or "Choba B CCCP". (And, yes, I pronounce it "Choba bee, see see see pee" :) ) --kingboyk 03:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, CHOBA B CCCP is a redirect, so anyone typing that in would still find the article. I'd prefer to leave the article at this slot, or move it to CHOBA B CCCP but retain Cyrillic in the article. --kingboyk 03:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Am I the only one to notice that on one album cover there it's "Снова в ссср" and the other it's "Снова б ссср"? В (Veh) and Б (Beh) are different letters. 60.224.48.152 05:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I noticed it. Strange indeed. Anyone with Russian background want to tell us what each one means? --Closeapple 21:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

в is correct (means "in"), б is simply incorrect (means nothing, not a word). Note that one version has the correct СНОВА В СССР and ПОЛ МАККАРТНИ in Cyrillic, while the other has the incorrect СНОВА Б СССР along with "PAUL McCARTNEY" (actuallly "PAUL McCARTИEЧ") in English and "the russian album" in small letters at the bottom right-hand corner. Obviously the former is the Russian release and the latter is the re-release for Western markets. Note that the re-release for Western markets retained a Cyrillic title (even to the extent of having a typo involving a Cyrillic letter that has no visual counterpart in the Latin alphabet), which is why the correct title in English is a Cyrillic title, because that's the title the artist chose to give to a release marketed to an English-speaking audience. We could perhaps title this article "the Russian album", but that appears to merely be a subtitle at best, and music stores don't seem to call it that [1]. Arguing that the title is "really" CHOBA B CCCP in Latin letters rather than СНОВА В СССР in Cyrillic letters (take a look, they're pixel-for-pixel visually identical in many fonts) is kind of pointless. And in any case, the title is more correctly written in lowercase (ie, Снова в СССР rather than СНОВА В СССР) as per the usual title standards (we don't write English Latin-alphabet album titles in all-uppercase merely because they're often written that way on album covers), and in lowercase the exact visual match with Latin letters no longer exists. -- Curps 04:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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Start class: Y A reasonably complete infobox Y A lead section giving an overview of the album Y A track listing Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient) Y Categorisation at least by artist and year C class: Y All the start class criteria Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section) Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians. B class: Y All the C class criteria Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details N A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources. Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS Needs more citations for the prose. This also needs to include a technical personnel section for a B-Status. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

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