Talk:Cork City North-West (Dáil constituency)

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Requested move 11 February 2016[edit]

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Moved as proposed. N-dashes signify ranges or relationships between distinct entities, not compass points; as noted the hyphens appear in official sources. bd2412 T 23:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– Replace en-dash with hyphen in various articles within Category:Dáil Éireann constituencies. A hyphen is standard for compass points north-west north-east south-west south-east and other combinations mid-west. An en-dash is for union of disjoint elements, as in Kerry North–West Limerick which is (Kerry North) + (West Limerick), not (Kerry North-West) + (Limerick) or (Kerry) + (North-West Limerick); I have not included articles of that form in this rename request. The current legislation uses hyphens for both combinations and union of disjoint: see 2013, 2009 (older texts of Electoral Acts in the online statute book would have been OCRed in and so are less reliable; there were mostly hyphens but that may be an overcount). I personally would prefer "Cork North Central" to "Cork North-Central", but the latter is in the statute, and either is preferable to "Cork North–Central", which suggest "Cork North" plus "(Cork) Central". jnestorius^(talk) 17:45, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Rationale makes sense. I hope no-one in their right mind would prefer north–west to north-west. Number 5 7 14:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. While the hyphen is fine, it looks like few if any of these articles need "(Dáil Éireann constituency)". There are no other articles on Galway North–East, Dublin South–West, Cork South–Central, etc.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:15, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cuchullain: This seems to be standard practice in the area of constituency articles (in some cases it has been formalised as a guideline – see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK Parliament constituencies)), I guess for consistency purposes (it probably makes it easier for editors to do linking if they don't have to check whether the title is disambiguated). Number 5 7 14:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Cork City North West etc. On the hyphen issue, I disagree that "a hyphen is standard for compass points". At least in British English, it is more common to have two separate words. Hence Coventry North East (UK Parliament constituency), for example. This practice is also apparently followed in Irish reliable sources.[1]. On the disambiguator, I agree with Cúchullain, I honestly don't see the use for it. Make the "(Dáil Éireann constituency)" version a redirect, for sure, but how does it help our readers to include it across the board where it's not needed? Unless "Cork City North West" is a commonly used moniker outside of the Dáil, I'd say that clearly violates WP:NATURAL, as well as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and local naming conventions shouldn't really override those fundamental things. But if you really insist on keeping that in, then I guess Cork City North West (Dáil Éireann constituency) is what it should be. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support all proposed moves, with the hyphen. These are the names used by the Oireachtas website [2] which presumably knows best. Bazonka (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the clear rationale. I considered doing a non-admin close of this case that's way down in the backlog, but then it became apparent why nobody has closed it yet: because there will be a pile of work to do. I suggest nom or someone just do the moves; the redirects will be easily overwritten, it appears, so no admin help is needed (at least on the first one I checked). Once it's done, it should be easier to attract a real close. Or just do a nominator close, since it's clearly uncontroversial. Then if Amakuru wants to press for yet different titles, he can do that later. Dicklyon (talk) 05:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The other problem is that the usual non-admin closers have already participated here, and admins are a bunch of ... 'nuff said. Dicklyon (talk) 05:20, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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