Talk:Icing conditions

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Title change: Aircraft icing conditions[edit]

Shouldn't this article be titled Aircraft Icing Conditions? Or perhaps just Aircraft Icing? Currently, aircraft-icing material is scatterred in several places. "Aircraft Icing" redirects to "Atmospheric Icing", and "Ice Protection Systems" contains material on aircraft icing effects that appears nowhere else. (Some of this material I contributed myself, because I didn't know where else to put it.)

I think there should be a top-level article entitled "Aircraft Icing" that references "Ice Protection Systems". The primary discussion of the thermodynamic and atmospheric physics that cause ice accretion on aircraft should be discussed in the "Aircraft Icing" article. For example, the discussion of the various structures of icing in this article is quite useful — I've seen it nowhere else. In addition, the "Aircraft Icing" article should describe the aerodynamic affects of aircraft icing and the related degradation of aircraft flight dynamics (for example, the material I added to the "Ice Protection Systems" article). "Ice Protection Systems" should describe or reference anti-icing and de-icing systems, and have only a short summary of aircraft icing mechanisms and effects. "Atmospheric Icing" should include a short summary of aircraft icing and reference that article.

BTW, I'm a relative newbie to Wikipedia editing: I probably should be making these comments in a broader forum, but I'm not sure where that would be. Jamesmelody (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support "Aircraft Icing" [1], [2], [3], etc. --Turbojet (talk) 13:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion[edit]

It seems we have three different articles on this topic that could be effectively combined into one article:

I would suggest that we merge all the articles into Atmospheric icing, possibly renaming it to Atmospheric icing conditions.

The FAA website frequently refers to Atmospheric icing conditions and also uses this terminology in the FAR: [[4]]

What are your thoughts?

PolarYukon (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. I believe the content of these three pages could be grouped in an article called Aircraft icing to avoid ambiguity with non-aviation icing. I am placing merger proposal banners on all three articles right now. Ariadacapo (talk) 17:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is some overlap but it's fairly clear that Ice protection system should describe only the aircraft systems (which should not appear in the other two articles). Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 21:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It’s clear indeed that Ice protection system should be a separate article; but as it stands its content is mostly about all the different types of aircraft icings that can occur. I believe that if it’s not merged, it needs to be re-written to avoid overlap. Ariadacapo (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How can we make this actually happen? This merge discussion appears to be pretty old, and nothing's unfortunately happened as of yet. Guy1890 (talk) 02:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For an alternative proposal, see De-ice#Reorg proposal. Lfstevens (talk) 15:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This article is about icing of aircrafts. It not should be merged with atmospheric icing. In some languages there is a dedicated word, for example in French: "givrage". --Turbojet (talk) 14:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done I have removed the merge banners. In addition to lack of consensus over many years, I can't figure out how to make a merged article that would be an improvement on our current coverage. ~Kvng (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]