Talk:List of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as anti-LGBTQ hate groups

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"Good Source"

Here is the diff page showing my post and a contributor's deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_anti-LGBT_hate_groups&type=revision&diff=955045234&oldid=955041628

It shows that my addition was deleted because the contributor couldn't find a "good source." Instead of taking it to the talk page before deleting, they deleted and told me to take it up to the talk page. I would be happy to add another good source, although one was already listed and Google can bring up many more about the situation.

I want to restore my post and add another unquestionably "good source:" https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/splc-apologizes-to-quilliam-foundation-over-listing

Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)Ihaveadreamagain[reply]

OK, I found a good source: [1]. But, your addition clearly had neutrality problems. This had nothing to do with LGBT hate groups, the subject of the article. Plus, the Washington Times story is a good example why we avoid it as a source. This is covered in article Southern Poverty Law Center, where it belongs. O3000 (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- Thank you. Your help is appreciated. I'll add the source you found. --Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 15:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)Ihaveadreamagain[reply]

As I said, it doesn't belong in this article. O3000 (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- :O -- I totally misunderstood your comment when you said "OK, I found a good source" and your reason for seeking the good source. Are you saying that the Atlantic article is already in the other entry? Or that I should add it there? confused... --Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)Ihaveadreamagain[reply]

The subject of Quilliam is in the main article. Look, this was an error based on the fact that the subject was previously an extremist. They corrected the error. The also respected the orgs work and donated money. It wasn't a penalty. You appear to be trying to denigrate the SPLC in multiple articles for some reason, in this case with misleading text. O3000 (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- We are to assume the best intentions. I have a particular interest in many nonprofit organizations. One article automatically leads to another on a similar subject. The article I posted said it was a settlement to the Quilliam Foundation. A settlement, though voluntary, that comes at the conclusion of years of litigation, is not entirely voluntary. If an article is about a list, we should be able to use a reliable source to add information about the specific list and that is what I did. The paragraph in question clearly only uses the SPLC's own words. It is a "puff piece" as it is. Regardless of whether you or I agree with all of their work, we should work to make the entry more accurate and complete. --Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 18:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)Ihaveadreamagain[reply]

You do not know that it was not voluntary. The situation you added has nothing to do with LGBT-hate groups. All orgs make errors. If they don't correct them, we don't consider them RS. SPLC is considered RS. O3000 (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- Are you going to propose a solution or just shoot down my concerns? Wikipedia editing shouldn't be a zero-sum game. There is a give and take until a solution is found. If you have a citation to the fact it was voluntary, then by all means that can be added to clarify. [The SPLC was considered reliable (although biased) before and during the time of the litigation while the plaintiff was complaining about the designation. So, whether they admit errors or not has nothing to do with whether SPLC is on the list of reliable sources.] --Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 19:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)Ihaveadreamagain[reply]

I already gave my solution. It is mentioned in the Southern Poverty Law Center article. Also in the Quilliam (think tank) and Maajid Nawaz articles. That's where it belongs. This article has nothing to do with Muslim extremism. (albeit they don't like LGBT either) O3000 (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rename?

Makes more sense for this article to be titled "List of anti-LGBT hate groups". Zenomonoz (talk) 09:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The list produced by the SPLC is the list produced by the SPLC. Why should the article title not reflect that? TechBear | Talk | Contributions 03:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]