Talk:Oblation (statue)

Re Caedo reference

To the anonymous editor/s: Please name the exact book (title, author, publication info etc.) that was mentioned in the article, so as to conform to the proper citation standards. --- Tito Pao 04:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

References

Removed the unref tag. I think the pdf has rich info concerning the Oblation. I'm sorry if I won't add the info myself (too large). Lenticel 04:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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Restore Oblation Run information

The information on the Oblation Run has been deleted. In good faith, I believe that the Oblation Run is part of the history assocation with the statue. I would like to propose restoring some or all of the recently deleted text.Naraht (talk) 02:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. I understand how the art show relates to the statue, but I see no plausible connection between the statue and the run other than the name. Many universities have nude statues, but that does not invite students to run naked on campus. I seems as though this text is intended to publicize a particular fraternity. Also, some of the sources do not meet WP:RS. Let's leave it out, because it is not relevant to the subject of this article. Racepacket (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree on creating a separate article on the Oblation Run. Moray An Par (talk) 16:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

(ec)For most schools with nude statues, the status is not *the* symbol of the university. The run was done naked *because* of the symbol. I'll be happy to provide additional sources, it seems like the Manila Bulletin or GMA (two of the larger media groups in the Phillipines do something every year.) In some ways the difficulty is since most of the references cover multiple pieces of information in the Wikipedia article, for example: http://www.mb.com.ph/node/190653 (from 2004) from the Manila Bulletin covers pretty much everything in the general section. Also, for the statement of "no indication that it has continued past 2008", does that indicate that a new reference needs to be added every year to show that it hasn't come to a halt? I could see an argument made for it belonging in its own article (the way that the Trijicon biblical verses controversy got split off from Trijicon) and then adding in the themes for the years (with links to what they are protesting), but something that happens every year that gets coverage from news sources in other countries belongs in Wikipedia.Naraht (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I have the utmost respect for those desiring to document these activities as a form of political protest or student activism. However, I still do not understand the relationship between the statue (which has a "fig leaf") and the runners who do not. This is an article about the statue. The "100 Nudes/100 Years" section belongs in this article because the art exhibit's sponsors said it was inspired by the Oblation. It has nothing to do with the run and I don't understand why you feel that it should be a subsection of the run. Why not place it in the UPLB article or the Alpha Phi Omega article? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 17:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I took a look at the reference (and a couple of others) on the 100 nudes/100 years and couldn't find anything directly relating it to the run, so I bumped it out into its own section rather than under the Run. As for why it belongs as part, the run is named after the statue, it is done in the spirit of the statue and and (perhaps most important for Wikipedia) if you look at the news google archives for Oblation Philippines, 4 of the top 6 groupings are about the run. Even the *school* considers it to be derived from the statue, check out the references for the Centenial run.Naraht (talk) 18:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

How about merging the "run" paragraphs with Alpha Phi Omega? Racepacket (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Though the run is made by the fraternity, I disagree to merge it with Alpha Phi Omega's article. The fraternity's article is too general to cover "minor" events like the run, though it's a major event in the Philippines and in the university. Next, we cannot add it into UPLB's article since the tradition started in UP Diliman, another campus of the university and is now passed to other campuses. AFAIK it is also done by other chapters of Alpha Phi Omega bearing the name "Oblation run'. Also think that the name of the run doesn't came from Alpha Phi Omega, it's from the statue.

I agree to rewrite Oblation Run article, though it was redirected here some two years ago and its contents were merged here, if I am not mistaken, due to vandalism especially that it is all about "nude dudes" running around the campus.--— JL 09 ^talk_contribs    19:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with moving it to its own article. I'm sure more information can be gotten from the references...Naraht (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The Oblation Run has nothing to do with education and the curriculum offered by the University. It should be moved elsewhere. History of Alpha Phi Omega in the Philippines might be a good target page for this. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I leave it up to others to decide where is should go. I think that if the run meets the notability standard of press coverage, it can have a separate article. However, I honestly do not believe it is relevant to the statue article. Racepacket (talk) 13:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Could we please move the contents out of this article over the next two days? I think that the consensus is that it belongs in either its own article or in Alpha Phi Omega, but not here. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

How about the separate article? Racepacket (talk) 09:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have an issue with making the name of the new article Oblation Run? I think we are all agreed that everything in the section should end up in the new article, the question is what should remain. I propose leaving a section at the current level with the first two sentences (up through the words "Economic Situation" and adding the fact that "The Oblation Run was inspired by the Oblation" and reference that with "http://www.gmanews.tv/story/101792/100-up-fratmen-alumni-join-oblation-run-for-centennial-celebration" and I'll tweek it a little from there, the information that this is talking about UP Dilliman (even though it has spread elsewhere) should be in this article. Everything else should be over in the main article. (And a {{Main|Oblation Run}} of course)Naraht (talk) 10:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

That would be fine. Just edit the existing page and remove the REDIRECT line and insert the text from the section in this article. You may wish to note that APO was disestablished (thrown off) the UP campus, so as to avoid the impression that UP condones APO's activities. Once the Run is removed, someone may wish to nominate the statue article for GA. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with the first, what are you talking about with the other. Where is the reference that they had been thrown off campus, and which UP campus are you talking about (there are at least 5, each with their own statues, some with their own runs done by the chapters), The original is at UP Dilliman. And they do condone, even if not officially. Alpha Phi Omega announces when and where they are doing it and the administration provides campus police for crowd control. In fact a member of the Philippines Congress objected to that level of support for the run by the school.Naraht (talk) 17:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I read it earlier but can't find it now. Let's focus on getting this out of the statue article. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 19:46, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Done.

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