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Excessive citations

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I'll list in this section some of the references that I remove as part of WP:CITEKILL so that they could potentially be used for sourcing other relevant content.

More to come — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC) (Updated: — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC))[reply]

26 July is wrong, announced as 30 July only. I mean who releases their film on a Sunday? -- Ab207 (talk) 09:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ab207 This ref [1] says Anirudh Ravichander was roped in for the song promo. Could it be added in casting or simply at the song promo sentence in design? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer, definitely not in the cast section, its reserved for the actual film. Many playback singers of the film have appeared in the lyrical songs, so Anirudh is not special. I'm neutral on adding in other section. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ab207 P.S. "Bheem for Ramaraju" in March 2020 is missing — DaxServer (t · m · c) 17:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

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Move preformed without explanation or discussion on August 9; RRR (disambiguation) had also been moved on April 2 with no explanation. However, the moove seems to have been justified based on the disproportionate pageviews of this article compared to others on the DAB page.

Pageviews for this article, its former title, RRR (disambiguation), and the next seven most popular articles at that dab page between April 3 and December 3: in decreasing order, Rayman Raving Rabbids, RRR (soundtrack), The three Rs, Red River Rivalry, Regional Ring Road, River Runs Red, and Ridge Racer Revolution. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing the (mis)uses of history in RRR

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The film opens with a disclaimer that the work is entirely fictional; however, since the two leading characters are based on two central Telugu historical figures, there is a certain responsibility owed to depicting them with a degree of historical integrity. In order to address these nuanced issues, I have added a section titled '(Mis)use of History,' which delves into the complexities surrounding historical accuracy and the adequacy of disclaimers. This section aims to foster a discussion on how the film navigates the fine line between fiction and historical representation, inviting contributors to share their insights on the challenges and ethical considerations involved. I encourage fellow editors to review this section and provide feedback to ensure a balanced and informed portrayal of the historical context within the film. OwlzOfMinerva (talk) 03:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that this section entirely violates WP:NOR, as it looks entirely like an original analysis/essay about historical disclaimers. The proper way to include something like this is if it is discussed in reliable sources, where then it'd probably be included in the Reception section as what those original sources thought about the film's usage of history. Plenty of fictional works go wildly off the rails of real history, the place with your own discussion to start this discussion is neither this page nor probably Wikipedia. As such, I have reverted this edit. 2607:FEA8:1E1F:EE00:C614:C5A1:E940:5260 (talk) 04:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of acclaim by filmmakers for RRR

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RRR is a unique Indian movie that has received massive acclaim globally - something that's not shared by any other movie and is inspirational for the entire Indian film ecosystem.

The section below highlights that unique achievement.

Reception of RRR by international Filmmakers

Steven Spielberg praised RRR, saying "I couldn't believe my eyes – it was like eye candy...it was extraordinary to look at and experience." Rajamouli said in response "I can almost get up from the chair and do a dance – it means a lot to me."[1]

James Cameron said that he liked RRR so much that he watched it twice and praised the screenplay, direction and music direction of the movie.[2]

Edgar Wright said that RRR was "an absolute blast" and said it was "The only film I have ever seen where the intermission card itself got a round of applause."[3]

Adam McKay publicly expressed support to RRR for the Oscar awards race.[4]

James Gunn said that about RRR that he "Totally dug it."[5]

Russo Brothers have publicly expressed their appreciation for RRR and its director SS Rajamouli . Joe Russo mentioned “I’ve seen RRR, and it’s amazing." He further mentions "What I think is so amazing about [RRR] is the emotion it evokes, combined with the spectacle."[6]

Scott Derrickson tweeted "To celebrate my birthday last night, my wife, kids and I watched @RRRMovie — what an awesomely outrageous roller coaster of a movie. Loved it" [7]

Joe Dante called RRR a brutal portrait that depicts the horrors of British colonisation and said that "I bet you’ve never seen anything quite like it" [8]

Daniel Kwan lauded the film, saying "While a lot of the blockbusters we're making in the states tend to have self aware, cheeky characters trapped in self-serious filmmaking, RRR was all heart-on-its-sleeve sincerity wrapped up in the most ridiculous over the top execution. So much to love."[9]

This section has been thoroughly cited (as can be seen from the history version of this page from 26-27 Jan 2024) with all the examples, but is continuously being removed by the user below, whom I address below to better understand the contention:

@Falimy: May I ask why are you removing this section? Is there a problem with citation? Is the acclaim by Steven Speilberg or James Cameron not considered noteworthy by you? Is there any other format that you'll prefer? Are there any other issues that you have noticed?

Kindly clearly articulate the reasons here in the Talk page so that we can understand your reason for persistently editing this section out. SaibaK (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jayanthkumar123: May I ask why are you removing this section? Is there a problem with citation? Is the acclaim by Steven Speilberg or James Cameron not considered noteworthy by you? Is there any other format that you'll prefer? Are there any other issues that you have noticed? SaibaK (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Follow the standard film article formats, there can't be no separate section titled "Reception by international filmmakers". No film article on Wikipedia has such section. You cannot add about each and every person, already the article is bigger. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a standard film article format? Kindly point to it. Wikipedia policy has no such thing.
What is presented above is a highly researched and labored section with proper citation and is highly pertinent to the wikipedia page. Discarding such notable information and accolades which is unprecedented for any Indian movie seems inappropriate. Is there any other Indian movie which can even have such a section? RRR is unique and therefore needs a separate section.
Also, kindly discuss the topic here before deleting well researched and cited work by others. SaibaK (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there is a standard format, I guess you are new here, that's why you might be knowing this. Sections such as production, music, plot, cast, etc. are regularly followed. Be it any bigger film, the same format is followed, there are many bigger films than this in regards of cultural impact or box office, but still the same format is followed. Please go through film articles, you will know more about them. Obviously section with good citations are allowed, but random sections with random names cannot be followed. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, you are talking consensus, other than you, did anybody else accepted to include this section in the article, the answer is "no". See here [2], what discussion you are talking about? Except you nobody discussed. So, how can you say as per discussion? Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've not pointed to any standard format link because one doesn't exist.
The mentions included are by top filmmakers of the world such as Steven Speilberg etc. and have been covered by top publications which considered the news newsworthy and have been widely published and cited as well. Removing that is vandalism. However you're calling the well cited work vandalism and aren't following wikipedia guidelines.
If you have problem with this still, open up an RFC. SaibaK (talk) 05:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have opened up the issue on the dispute resolution page.
Kindly make no further deletions and wait for the dispute resolution.
Here is the link @Jayanthkumar123:
Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR SaibaK (talk) 06:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
user @Jayanthkumar123 is ignoring attempts to gain a consensus and dispute resolution opened by me at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR and as revision 1235976007 show, he continues to remove the well cited and notable content without waiting for the dispute resolution. SaibaK (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See, I have already mentioned that sections with such bluff names can't be followed Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia policy for inclusion of information is this: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. Wikipedia's concept of notability applies this basic standard to avoid indiscriminate inclusion of topics. Article and list topics must be notable, or "worthy of notice". link Wikipedia:Notability#:~:text=Information on Wikipedia must be,or "worthy of notice".
The content included is verifiable and notable.
The criteria you're using is invented by you and is not a wikipedia policy. Kindly follow wikipedia policy not your imagined criteria. As per wikipedia policy verifiable and notable content should be included. SaibaK (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The dispute resolution process I had opened has now been concluded: Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR . Following the instruction by the moderator to put back the changes in the article. Thanks. SaibaK (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not active from 23 July 2024 to 29 July 2024, so I was not able to put my comments in the discussion. My opinion is that which article on Wikipedia has the section with the above name "Reception by international filmmakers"? Not a single film on this site has section with such names. Being one of the most-viewed film articles on Wikipedia, I opined to remove this section for neutrality and cleanliness. There are many great films produced, but none of them has a separate section which describes so-called "reception" by international filmmakers. Do we really need to include what each and every person said that too in a separate line and in a separate section. The above discussion has been started by SaibaK who has only 37 all-time edits with 35 belonging to this specific section. He is a new user who randomly added this section in this article. Pinging DareshMohan, Ab207, Swarleystinson88, Fylindfotberserk, Kailash29792, MNWiki845, RangersRus, Gotitbro, BhikhariInformer, Anoopspeaks, DaxServer---- Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 08:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has a policy that notable and verifiable information can be included.
Across the nation, newspapers considered this to be notable and newsworthy, but @Jayanthkumar123 insists that he knows better than the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. which have covered the section and are included in citation. SaibaK (talk) 23:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I've gone through proper dispute resolution process by wikipedia and @Jayanthkumar123 has avoided it despite him being active on the days when the dispute was opened (22 July and he was tagged in it on that day) and @Jayanthkumar123 edits are present on (22 July and 23 July) and yet he has not participated in it. SaibaK (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since you're now back, kindly follow the proper procedure @Jayanthkumar123 . I've opened up a new dispute resolution here:
Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR 2
And have also notified you on your user page in the comment of this section:
User talk:Jayanthkumar123#Dispute resolution notification
Please follow the proper procedure since you claim to be an experienced user. SaibaK (talk) 00:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Refrain from making false allegations against me with such statements--"but @Jayanthkumar123 insists that he knows better than the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. which have covered the section and are included in citation". Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you kindly clarify @Jayanthkumar123 : are you not saying that despite the news being covered by the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. it should not be included in the article? SaibaK (talk) 08:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is your exact line @Jayanthkumar123 from your comment in the talk section above at 08:19, 30 July 2024: "Do we really need to include what each and every person said ". You're arguing about the inclusion of the information despite it being prominent headlines in the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. because of your own criteria of what should be included or not. SaibaK (talk) 09:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I stand with what I said. The media will obviously report what happened, but I am not questioning the sources instead I am in an opinion that "is it necessary to include what each and every person said". I don't have any personal criteria. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel you are complying with wikipedia's guidelines and don't have any personal criteria/bias, then why are you running away from the dispute resolution opened here?
Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Summary of dispute by Jayanthkumar123
Let the moderators decide if you're following the wikipedia guidelines or not. Don't run away. SaibaK (talk) 08:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you let other contributors of the page make a opinion. You seem to be in a hurry to resolve the issue. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: @SaibaK and Jayanthkumar123: I'm going to ask both of you stop editing the article until a consensus is reached, either here or at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. If the two of you keep reverting each other, I will have to block your access to the article. If consensus can't be reached, consider asking for a third opinion or opening a proper RfC on the matter. Jayanthkumar123, you are the more experienced editor here and should avoid doing what seems to me like WP:STONEWALLING. Isabelle Belato 🏳‍🌈 12:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, I requested the other editor to wait until having a third opinion. But the editor seems to be in a hurry to resolve. Resolving the issue through moderators is fine, but there are many other editors who have contributed to this article, they might have their opinion. I said the same in the above discussion, to have a third opinion. Also, the content was randomly included with no proper discussion. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ramachandran, Naman (10 February 2023). "Steven Spielberg, S.S. Rajamouli Talk 'RRR,' 'The Fabelmans': Watch Video (EXCLUSIVE)". Variety.
  2. ^ "James Cameron praises RRR, asks SS Rajamouli if he wants to make Hollywood film". Hindustan Times. 21 January 2023.
  3. ^ "Baby Driver, Scott Pilgrim director Edgar Wright praises SS Rajamouli's RRR: An absolute blast". Hindustan Times. 14 August 2022.
  4. ^ "Don't Look Up director Adam McKay calls India's RRR snub 'a travesty', pledges support for SS Rajamouli film". The Indian Express. 22 September 2022.
  5. ^ "James Gunn expresses admiration for Jr NTR, desires to work with 'amazing and cool' RRR actor". The Economic Times. 26 April 2023.
  6. ^ "Russo Brothers say they're 'huge fans' of SS Rajamouli, call RRR 'amazing'". The Indian Express. 30 July 2022.
  7. ^ "'Doctor Strange' Director Showers Praise On 'RRR', Calls It 'Outrageous Roller Coaster Of A Movie'". Outlook India. 18 July 2022.
  8. ^ "'Gremlins' director Joe Dante praises 'RRR' for depicting 'horrors of British colonization'". The Economic Times. 20 July 2022.
  9. ^ "Everything Everywhere All at Once co-director Daniel Kwan heaps praise on SS Rajamouli's RRR: 'So much to love'". The Indian Express. 19 October 2022.


RFC: Section on Reception by International Filmmakers

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Shall the section on "Reception by International Filmmakers" at the bottom of this RFC be added after the Reception section? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please answer Yes or No, or something similar, with a brief explanation, in the Survey. Please do not reply to the statements of other editors in the Survey. Back-and-forth discussion is what the Discussion section is for.

Survey

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Yes. The content is notable and verifiable as per Wikipedia policy. Top international and national publications such as Variety, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Economic Times etc have covered it in their headlines.- user @SaibaK

Discussion

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In my view, the content is notable and verifiable as per Wikipedia policy and thus should be included. Top international and national publications such as Variety, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Economic Times etc have covered it in their headlines. -user @SaibaK

Reception by international filmmakers

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Steven Spielberg praised RRR, saying "I couldn't believe my eyes – it was like eye candy...it was extraordinary to look at and experience." Rajamouli said in response "I can almost get up from the chair and do a dance – it means a lot to me."[1]

James Cameron said that he liked RRR so much that he watched it twice and praised the screenplay, direction and music direction of the movie.[2]

JJ Abrams said that he loves the ‘fever dream madness’ of RRR as he introduced SS Rajamouli at LA’s Chinese Theatre.[3]

Edgar Wright said that RRR was "an absolute blast" and said it was "The only film I have ever seen where the intermission card itself got a round of applause."[4]

Christopher Miller has praised RRR, describing it as "like Michael Bay and Baz Luhrmann and Stephen Chow teamed up to make a movie. It was 3 hours long but it could have been 4 hours and I would’ve still enjoyed it."[5]

Adam McKay publicly expressed support to RRR for the Oscar awards race.[6]

James Gunn said that about RRR that he "Totally dug it."[7]

Russo Brothers have publicly expressed their appreciation for RRR and its director SS Rajamouli . Joe Russo mentioned “I’ve seen RRR, and it’s amazing." He further mentions "What I think is so amazing about [RRR] is the emotion it evokes, combined with the spectacle."[8][9]

Scott Derrickson tweeted "To celebrate my birthday last night, my wife, kids and I watched @RRRMovie — what an awesomely outrageous roller coaster of a movie. Loved it"[10]

Joe Dante called RRR a brutal portrait that depicts the horrors of British colonisation and said that "I bet you’ve never seen anything quite like it"[11]

Jason Blum expressed his expectations that RRR could win Best Picture Oscar 2023 [12]

Daniel Kwan lauded the film, saying "While a lot of the blockbusters we're making in the states tend to have self aware, cheeky characters trapped in self-serious filmmaking, RRR was all heart-on-its-sleeve sincerity wrapped up in the most ridiculous over the top execution. So much to love."[13]

References

  1. ^ Ramachandran, Naman (2023-02-10). "Steven Spielberg, S.S. Rajamouli Talk 'RRR,' 'The Fabelmans': Watch Video (EXCLUSIVE)". Variety. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  2. ^ "James Cameron praises RRR, asks SS Rajamouli if he wants to make Hollywood film". Hindustan Times. 2023-01-21. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  3. ^ "JJ Abrams says he loves the 'fever dream madness' of RRR as he introduces SS Rajamouli at LA's Chinese Theatre. Watch". The Indian Express. 2023-01-10. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  4. ^ "Baby Driver, Scott Pilgrim director Edgar Wright praises SS Rajamouli's RRR: An absolute blast". Hindustan Times. 2022-08-14. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  5. ^ Miller, Christopher (June 15, 2022). "Christopher Miller on RRR".
  6. ^ "Don't Look Up director Adam McKay calls India's RRR snub 'a travesty', pledges support for SS Rajamouli film". The Indian Express. 2022-09-22. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  7. ^ "Marvel directors James Gunn and Scott Derrickson praise RRR: 'Loved it'". Hindustan Times. 2022-07-17. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  8. ^ "Joe Russo heaps praise on SS Rajamouli's RRR, calls it a 'well done epic'". Hindustan Times. 2022-07-23. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  9. ^ "Russo brothers and 'RRR' director S.S. Rajamouli on the 'universal language' of action movies". EW.com. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  10. ^ Derrickson, Scott (2022-07-17). "Scott Derrickson on RRR". The Indian Express. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  11. ^ "Gremlins director Joe Dante calls SS Rajamouli's RRR a 'brutal portrait of British colonization': 'You've never seen anything quite like it'". The Indian Express. 2022-07-19. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  12. ^ "Hollywood producer Jason Blum predicts RRR will win Best Picture at Oscars: 'Mark it down, please'". Hindustan Times. 2023-01-09. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
  13. ^ "'I'm working in the wrong country', says Hollywood director Daniel Kwan after watching RRR". Hindustan Times. 2022-10-20. Retrieved 2024-07-14.
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