Talk:Ryan Whitney

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– Firstly, there is no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC between Ryan Whitney and Ryan Whitney (actress) (see similar page view numbers, suggesting equal readership). Ryan Whitney used to be called Ryan Newman, which is where all the problems start. However, after three years, two failed RMs, and a unilateral move by a user, we're passed the WP:TOOSOON stage. Let's say Ryan Whitney (actress)'s WP:COMMONNAME is actually Ryan Whitney (more on that later), and we manage to agree that there is no PRIMARYTOPIC, then, we need to move the pages accordingly and create a proper disambiguation page, instead of what is now at Ryan Whitney (disambiguation).
Next, for the case of Ryan Newman (racing driver), the page needs to be moved to Ryan Newman, since he would be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the name "Ryan Newman". We could leave a hatnote at the top so that readers looking for the former Ryan Newman, now Ryan Whitney, could find her. I don't think a Ryan Newman (disambiguation) page is necessary, but let me know. Ryan Dean Newman can stay as is, and we can leave a hatnote if need be.
Alternate proposal: if you disagree with Ryan Whitney's WP:COMMONNAME being Ryan Whitney, I suggest moving Ryan Whitney (actress) to Ryan Whitney Newman, which is used in a fair chunk of sources and on places like her Instagram page. Ryan Newman (racing driver) is still moved to Ryan Newman, hatnotes are still left at the top, but that way we can leave Ryan Whitney (the ice hockey player) where he is, and just leave a hatnote at the top. Ryan Whitney (disambiguation) can be outright deleted. Ryan Dean Newman, no change but hatnotes where needed. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support 1st, the ice hockey defenseman has 4,015 views but the actress has 4,427. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support racing driver, support alternate for actress, Oppose hockey player - The hockey player is still the primary topic per long-term significance; the actress has only appeared in two films since changing her name vs. 10+ year pro career + continued recognition as a podcaster. I nonetheless support the WP:NATURAL disambiguation of Ryan Whitney Newman, while the racing driver is now (and again) the clear primary topic for "Ryan Newman." Of course, we would hatnote the racing driver article to link to the actress and the DAB I created back then can be deleted per WP:ONEOTHER. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Ryan Whitney → Ryan Whitney (ice hockey). The ice hockey player is the primary topic by long-term significance. Support Ryan Newman (racing driver) → Ryan Newman. Clear primary topic by long-term significance. Move Ryan Newman → Ryan Newman (disambiguation). Three people, so clearly needed. Delete Ryan Whitney (disambiguation) per WP:TWODABS. A hatnote is fine to point to the actress. Oppose Ryan Whitney (actress) → Ryan Whitney Newman, a name by which she has never been credited. Per WP:MIDDLENAME we don't use full names for purposes of disambiguation-- Necrothesp (talk) 10:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all, no clear PRIMARY recently.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Ryan Newman (racing driver) -> Ryan Newman and Support Alternate proposal. MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 13:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]