Talk:Seed oil misinformation

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This page has been recently proposed for deletion (1 October 2024) by 69.123.64.3 (talk · contribs) with the comment:
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It was contested by GB fan (talk · contribs) on 2024-10-01 with the comment:
Neutral Point of View is a reason to edit the article and make the article neutral, not delete it

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BorgQueen talk 14:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that despite a panic to the contrary, most researchers think seed oils are healthy and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease?

Source: "most cardiovascular health researchers believe omega-6 fatty acids are safe and healthy. The American Heart Association has stated that a reduction in omega-6 fatty acids could lead to an increase, not reduction, in cardiovascular disease."

Reviewed:
Comment: I understand this is beyond the seven-day limit; however, I'd like to request an extension for two reasons. First, that this is my first DYK so I didn't know there was a deadline; and second, that this is a medical-related topic so it's best that the article has been shown to be stable.

Moved to mainspace by Dan Leonard (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Dan • ✉ 04:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Way too weak. It's not a "most researchers think" thing; the seed oil misinformation is utter nonsense on many levels. Bon courage (talk) 06:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was nominated two weeks after creation, which is far beyond the seven day limit, or even the two-day extension that is built in into DYK. As such, the article is ineligible for DYK. Although leniency is sometimes granted to DYK newcomers, two weeks is too long for what is usually granted. My suggestion is to nominate the article for GA status: it may be a challenge given that it is a medicine-related article but it should be achievable. Once the article is a GA it can be renominated for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that this was moved to mainspace on 29 August and nominated on 9 September, so a smidge under 11 days. Still a big ask though.--Laun chba ller 02:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've given this some more thought, and while I don't feel strongly enough to overrule, I do think that as a brand new nominator, as a one-off, this should be given a chance.--Laun chba ller 17:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allowing a one-time exemption this time considering the length of time involved (around 11 days) would be unfair to other nominators, both new and old, who are not given the same opportunity. If it had only been late by a day or two, it probably would have made more sense and been fairer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming "origins" to "definition"

MOS:WAS and MOS:REALTIME seem to go against this section as it was originally. It doesn't really seem to make sense to have a chronological/dated section about the invention of seed oils in this article. It also is not a section about the origins of seed oil misinformation, but of the origins of seed oils themselves, which belongs in a separate seed oils article. I changed the verb tenses (from was to is) and removed the dates. -edit my edits were reverted, I also don't see how its relevant to the concept of seed oil controversy that Procter and Gamble are responsible for the development of Crisco. I really don't understand this section. Sydpresscott (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Views" section

Seems like this section goes against WP:CSECTION and WP:STRUCTURE "Segregation of text or other content into different regions or subsections, based solely on the apparent POV of the content itself, may result in an unencyclopedic structure." Though its named "views," it seems like a "Criticisms and controversies" section, especially because it is preceded by the section about Omega 6 fatty acids. It might be enough to just remove the "Views" subheading and just have the information be in the body, but the tone in general might need to be tweaked. Sydpresscott (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory sources in article

Multiple sources in the omega-6 section suggest that omega 6 may contribute to inflammation, but this is contradicted under the medical opinion section. Sydpresscott (talk) 22:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved by removing the weakly-sourced (/irrelevant) content. Bon courage (talk) 04:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source is very good [1], I suggest including it in the text. There is also an article by Carrie Dennett in Todays Dietitian [2] Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both of those are already included, Dennett (2023) is even cited twice. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, I didn't see that. In regard to the consumer reports reference would you consider adding a line or two about linoleic acid. The topic of linoleic acid is a keystone of what seed oil misinformation is about, it may even warrant its own section at some point. It's definitely worth covering this on the article. There is also some brief coverage here [3], this pooled analysis is already cited on the article [4] which might be useful to also cite in regard to LA intake and CVD risk. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your removal of Cravotto, Fabiano-Tixier, Claux, & Abert-Vian (2022), while sensible as published in a MDPI journal, left a reference broken. Would it make sense to leave the journal in the reference list as it is currently used to support a statement? — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]