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Move request

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A move discussion is taking place at Talk:Shinola#Requested move 13 May 2018 which may impact this article. -- Netoholic @ 22:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 October 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No consensus for this move. The original brand, though defunct, is considered, by those who know shit from Shinola, the primary topic by virtue of long-term significance. (non-admin closure) В²C 19:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]


– The defunct shoe polish brand simply isn't the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It gets fewer views than the modern Shinola (retail company)[1] - which produces a Shinola shoe polish. It appears that many readers are being misdirected to this article when they're really looking for the modern company. Cúchullain t/c 16:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since the modern company has also made shoe polish, then Shinola (shoe polish) is insufficiently disambiguated and should redirect to an article or disambiguation page. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:05, 2 October 2019 (UTC) (edit: apparently a parenthetically disambiguated title can also a have primary topic, which would be the historical company in this case. —09:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC))[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Horse & Cart

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This self-published blog by a marketing agency adds nothing useful to the article IMO. It's equal parts self-promotion and advertising for the modern retail brand. We already mention the modern brand under § History. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It provides context, blending the history with the successor business. It helps show the long term popularity of the phrase in question, and the worth of the brand. I think it is useful, enlightening, and enhances the article. YMMB, but I disagree. 7&6=thirteen () 19:39, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, the modern brand is already mentioned. Self-published sources are not generally reliable, and the opinion of a non-notable marketing consultant is extremely unduly weighted here. Why should readers care what this person thinks about "brand resuscitation", "marketing-savvy folks in Detroit", or "a short list of long lost but not forgotten brands"? --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You gutted the article from what it was here. We need other editors' opinions. 7&6=thirteen () 19:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to ask for outside input. Till then the disputed text should be removed per WP:ONUS. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am not about to WP:Canvas. Nor will I bother to WP:Edit war. We should wait for that consensus to build, however ...
And while we are waiting on consensus, maybe the editors will weigh in on whether your version of the artile or the prior one here serves the readers better.
Meanwhile, real life beckons. 7&6=thirteen () 20:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are fora that exist specifically for requesting input on content disputes. That isn't the same as canvassing. Building consensus is, as I said, the responsibility of those wishing to include disputed content. The ball is in your court now. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shinola Hotel

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Shouldn't we add a mention of the Shinola Hotel to this article? Source: https://www.shinolahotel.com/ 76.190.213.189 (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not the place to promote a business, person, or cause. Independent, reliable sources are required. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]