Talk:Haruhi Suzumiya/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Charecters?

I suppose that now this is created and the basics are done, we can go into smaller details. With a franchise article, I saw another one at Sailor Moon. In there, they have a small caption for each of the main charecters, in this case we would have 5. Would we want to consider adding one in, or no?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbloemeke (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I suppose we could do that. How about transcluding the SOS Brigade section from List of characters in the Haruhi Suzumiya series and we could expand them a bit if needed.--十八 01:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Do we transcribe them or cut them out of the list and put them in here? It would change the list into a list of secondary charecters.Sbloemeke 01:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep the list in the characters article and just transcribe it.--十八 02:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. :)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbloemeke (talk • contribs)

GA Workings...

So, I did a little research into other Good Articles of franchises, and here is what I found. First off, we need a section entitled "Plot". It just is for the basic overview of everything, basically the concepts of the story. In this case it would be that the story is about five kids who create a club centered around Haruhi which is also host to a meriad of people such as Time Travelers, Aliens, and Espers. This should not get into the specifics (SPOILER: Something like Asakura Ryouko tries to kill Kyon is NOT what needs to be in.) Individual plot elements are too specific.

I also noticed that absolutely no article has what we have, which is the series concepts. For instance, Kanon has no section devoted on Fox-Humans, and Sailor Moon has no sections on any of the antagonistic societies not of the inner scouts/outer scouts/starlights. Each of those is also an organization.

Most GA level articles seemed to have 3 main section. Plot, Charecters, and Adaptations. They also all seemed to have a very sizable lead. So, my opinion is that to make it into a GA article, that is what we need to do. What are your opinions on this? Sbloemeke 19:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree that an overview of the plot is needed and would be right for inclusion. As for the series concepts, I believe those have to stay. The Kanon and Sailor Moon articles you mentioned are very broad in their scope, so they are best kept focused on the main material without going into unnecessary details (I believe this is a criterian of GA/FA articles). This article is about the specific Haruhi Suzumiya franchise, and those details cannot rightfully go anywhere else. The only other alternative would be to delete them, but then other series like Naruto and Bleach have entire articles on the ninja villages, and Soul Society which are relevevnt to the series themselves. The series concepts in this article are not large enough for their own article, so they are kept here. I suppose we could create a Series concepts in the Haruhi Suzumiya series if needed, but I would be against that for right now.--十八 22:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

What about Organizations of Haruhi Suzumiya? Technically, each entity could work as stand alone articles, but that would require a ton of work on all of our parts.

In my opinion, the organization would best work as Lead, Plot Overview, Charecters, Novels/Adaptations. This would allow a general introduction, quick knowledge of what the series is, details on the players, and then showing how it's been distributed. To me, it's the most logical flow.

The organizations just don't seem to fit in here. I guess the best thing to do is leave it in here for now, fix it up with plot/organization, put it up for GA, and if it fails, ask the reviewer if he thinks that section is helping or hindering the cause. Sbloemeke 00:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Organizations in the Haruhi Suzumiya series I think would be a better title, but that could work; the only probably would be the references, though I guess we could get a fair amount from the anime/novels if absolutely necessary. As for a new Characters section, just how indepth do you plan on doing this if we already have a main article for the characters? Do you mean just adding in the info to the SOS Brigade members (with a link to the main character article) or do you also wish to add in some of the other characters like Ryoko or Kyon's Sister? And on top of that, we could do something along the lines of what they have at Excel Saga with Plot and characters in one section.--十八 00:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope. I mean that I think the present "SOS Brigade Members" should be a section, the individual summaries expanded a bit, and maybe a picture for them. Their names would be linked to their article. We also have a linking to the charecter list. I know Excel Saga did the Plot and charecters in one section, but I personally prefer them seperate. It'll all depend on what the GA reviewer wants. The affiliations part (Which is what is proposed for a move), would probably be word for word exactly what is in here, and graded as a Start Class article, as it has no references. It would go next to "Light Novels" in the top level. I think that just by removing them we can better this article.Sbloemeke 18:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me then.--十八 06:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Before I go and do anything, though, I want to know exactly what the plot section would look like. Would you like me to write it, or would you like to try your hands on it?Sbloemeke 02:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

If you've read into the novels, you probably have a better idea of what the plot overview is meant to contain. My knowledge is only as far as The Melancholy is concerned.--十八 02:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The present plan is fine for a GA, but as one of the primary goals of WP:HARUHI is to get this article featured, we need a story/plot section that includes characters, plot, and themes present in the series. Some type of development/production/etc section needs to be present, and should display the transition between light novels and anime production. A broader reception section needs to be there, but it's less of an issue seeing as the majority of the content is present at The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)#Reception and fandom. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 05:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I know. But it should be a GA before we can get to FA. Anyways, sorry for the delay, job has been interfering. I'll do the edits on Saturday.Sbloemeke 01:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Official English translations?

I'm pretty sure they translated Yuki Nagato's organization as the "Data Integration Thought Entity." Can anyone check to make sure?

Also, it says in the article that she is a Data Entity. I don't think she herself is the entity... so for now, I'm changing it to "humanoid interface created by the Data Integration Thought Entity." 74.116.137.2 17:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

SOSdan

Just as a side note, did the fan translation sited in the SOS Brigade section, as "Save the world by Overloading it with fun, Suzumiya Haruhi's brigade", come from A.F.K.'s sub? Luigi6138 23:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It says "fan translations generally accepted" that translation, but since afk was the first to provide an accurate translation that was wide-spread among the anime community at the time, it probably has a root from afk's original translation.--十八 23:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Out of Topic?

Suggestion: I suggest that all general information regarding the Suzumiya Haruhi series, novel, plot, etc. except for the topics regarding franchises, be summarized, if not removed. I believe that there are already entries for the plot of the story. It will just make a redundant encyclopedia entry. Links must be provided to the general information about the series, but not the whole article/information. I hope that this will improve the quality of this entry. Vekou 12:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Cutting the Infobox?

Since this is a franchise page, the infobox can be reduced to the size similar the Gundam franchise page. It is imaginable for that infobox to stretch the entire article (and more) if the Gundam series included all of its works into a single compounded infobox. For this series, infobox subsections, found in their own articles such as the anime and light novel series, can be removed. Yet, objection can stem from lack of a manga and video game sub-article for the franchise. So, this is something to think about later on. KyuuA4 (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Games

"Namco Bandai Games has announced that another adventure game, The Promise of Haruhi Suzumiya (涼宮ハルヒの約束, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yakusoku?),[10] was released for the PlayStation Portable on December 20, 2007. " So, they announced that the game was released a month ago....someone wanna fix the english here? 68.8.219.56 (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)jopojelly

For future instances, please Be Bold and update any entries that need updating, thank you.--十八 10:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I kinda messed that up there trying to bring the statement to current standards. --Addict 2006 23:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Probably unnecessary "the"

"Spreading Excitement All Over the World with the Haruhi Suzumiya Brigade" - I'm not sure that the "the" before the titular character's name should be there, and I don't think asosbrigade.com has been updated for quite a while now (most of the pages aren't there and I can't use Wayback Machine on the pages archived and find something out of those). I have watched the ASOS Brigade miniseries as well as the dub of broadcast-episode-2/chronological-episode-1 but I don't think that's enough of a citation. --Addict 2006 23:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It's grammatically necessary. Doceirias (talk) 02:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Question

Here is a section from Haruhi_Suzumiya_(franchise)#Organization
"Sealed Realities" or "Closed Spaces" are odd occurrences in the cross-dimensional faultlines catalyzed by Haruhi Suzumiya when she is antagonized as a sort of practice round for her godly powers. The world within the Sealed Reality is almost identical to a corresponding area of the world, but is colored in grey tones completely and devoid of people....
What is a "grey tone"? I find no other mention of it anywhere... I am curious, but also, it may need to be defined for better encyclopedic quality --LiteralKa (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Grey tone as in there is little or no colour, and consisting mainly of shades of grey. Not sure if that was your question... :P --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 01:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I was wondering if it was referring to the color of the closed space, or the fact that it is completely devoid of life and motion. LiteralKa (talk) 00:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... Ok, I kinda get your question. I think its more a combination - the colour scheme and also the gloomy feel of the closed space. Similar to when movies depict a sad scene with very cloudy weather, raining, and everything is grey and such. Can't really describe it very well, but its the feel you get when looking at such a scene. --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 03:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

haruhi Wii game title citation

All I can find are blogs. --Addict 2006 19:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

You really should Google the original Japanese title, and not the unofficial translation...The name is given at the game's official website.--十八 23:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Haruhi book 01 s.jpg

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At this time, I'm solving the problem. --Addict 2006 15:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Solved. --Addict 2006 15:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Date listed on an official website

What's March 26, 2009 about (here)? --Addict 2006 16:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be the release date for the Wii game.--十八 04:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "Series concepts"

Was removing that entire section completely necessary? I agree that it is a bit excessive, but wouldn't trimming it be a bit more helpful. The section does contain some useful information to help people understand the series. - plau (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It was all excessive, unsourced plot summary. If you feel something specific needs to be explained, can you point to it, as I didn't personally see anything necessary to understanding the basics of the series (and I say this as someone who has never seen/read/etc it). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Copy Edit?

What prompted the copy edit request? I don't see anything that particularly stands out in this article. Are there any specific sections, or issues (tone, grammer etc.) that need to be addressed? Conversely, are the areas which need attention those that are still in flux from the recent merge/move actions? For those who have been truly following the discussion, is it safe to say that no action is forthcoming which will invalidate a copy edit? I truly love this franchise, and would enjoy working on the article, but I want to make sure that any changes made will actually be of benefit. RevZoe (talk) 20:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Possible Season Two discussion

What with all the drama surrounding the possible airing of Season Two this month, it seems as if the article needs at least a sentence under the anime heading about this. Does anyone else agree? Or are there reasons for why this is not mentioned? J4cK0fHe4rt5 (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless I'm misunderstanding your request, there is a whole paragraph about the second season in the anime section? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm talking about the more recent developments, the last thing mentioned in the current paragraph is from 2007, but I have heard bits and pieces about the current April re-airing amounting to 28 episodes, and whether this is with Season Two mixed in or showing afterward, or something else. It just seems that there has been a lot of recent talk about the second series which is not mentioned at all in this article. J4cK0fHe4rt5 (talk) 21:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

There was, at one point. Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I looked back through the histories of both articles and found nothing about it? Any RSs on the airing? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I found it a couple page moves ago and readded it.--十八 00:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that seems much better, in my opinion. J4cK0fHe4rt5 (talk) 09:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Controversy not notable?

I noticed there is presently no mention of the huge controversy that erupted on the Internet over Kyoto Animation's teasing of its fans. They announced a second season of Haruhi, which then turned out to be a bunch of very short video clips that were released on YouTube, and a planned rebroadcast of the first season, rather than an all-new season of the show with a new plot. Fan reaction to this was very emotional; does this warrant a mention in the article or is it something only fans would be concerned with? -moritheil^Talk 23:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

First of all, assuming it was all a huge ruse is exactly what was perpetuated by the fans themselves. There was actually no evidence that KyoAni intentionally tried to give people the wrong idea, as it was the fans that took what was given to them the wrong way and thus got their hopes up about the second season when in reality KyoAni had never said anything about a second season whatsoever. Besides, it wasn't really that notable, as it didn't get any coverage in reliable news sources, which would be instrumental to its addition into this article, by the way.--十八 01:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, now that an all-new episode of the series has in fact aired, it is increasingly apparent that the fans in question just got trolled. It's worth briefly mentioning that KyoAni's episode sequencing and secrecy about the new episodes fooled some people, but I don't think it's worth going into a lot of depth. 209.204.188.184 (talk) 17:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Then conduct some research behind that and see if you find anything. If not, then such a notion is insignificant. KyuuA4 (talk) 22:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

What about the controversy over Endless Eight, it's the same episode 4 times now. People are starting to stop watching this!!!

Tman7776 (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

That's not a controversy. DeathNomad 23:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Episode lists

So as of May 22 there's a new episode with different opening/ending themes, and as I understand it its going in broadcast order. What I don't understand is what's the difference between List_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_episodes and List_of_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_episodes. The later doesn't have the new episode, though its mentioned at the top, and the former has what appears to be a duplication of some of the information in the Melancholy list. What is the organization scheme here? --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 15:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed this discussion here but sill would like to know what's up with this. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 15:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

(ec)The organisation scheme is keeping the original airing (Melancholy)as it is because the information from Kyoto Animation is rather pathetic. As melancholoy is an FA, it seems prudent to leave it in its original form until we know if KyoAni have grouped together two seasons for broadcast, then to release the new episodes on dvd as a new season, or if they have just retroactively expanded the season. It's all quite confusing, because their site still shows Melancholoy as 14 eps, and no second season, and all this talk of new seasons and such is rumour and assumption by everyone with no actual verifiable truth available. List_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_episodes is/should be the parent article for episodes related to Haruhi (Melancholoy, the new eps, Haruhi-chan and the other ona) with sublists, but if I'm honest, I've not got around to reflecting that, and no one else has beaten me to it. Also I was under the impression the op was the same? Btw this is discussed on the actual pages involved. Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Haruhi-chan now added, but i've not got time to improve the rest of the article as im off to work in a mo. Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So the separate list was kept to maintain the quality of the melancholy list as this new season is sorted out? Makes sense I guess. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 23:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Would it be better to only hve List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes as the main article link under the anime section since the other articles are linked from there? AngelFire3423 (talk) 21:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Endless Eight

I think there should be some mention of the current Endless Eight episodes.

At the time of this writing episodes 3, 4 & 5 have repeated the events of episode 2 with some minor variations. Currently there is a huge fan uproar because of this. Nobody knows when the looping will stop. It is speculated that it will either end at episode 8 or end after 8 looping episodes.

I do wonder what the purpose was for having repeated looping episodes and if anybody involved with the anime was reprimanded for it.

Either way I do think it deserves a section simply because it is almost unheard of for a show to do something like this. Maxtro (talk) 20:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing in reliable sources to substantiate this "uproar", so nothing can be reported until such a thing happens. Plus, I think the fan community is blowing things out of proportion, much in the same way that happened during the whole debacle a few months ago when people assumed a second season had been announced when no such thing had actually occurred. Plus, the notion that someone would be "reprimanded" for something they chose to do makes little sense, and in the long run, Haruhi has been a show that does "unheard" of things, so it's not like it's anything new.--十八 00:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

As for the "uproar" and search on Google of "Endless Eight" will provide as many references as you want. The mere existence of the former director "apologizing" for the way the arc is handled can be taken as an admission, by him at least, that there is an uproar.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.164 (talk • contribs)

I said reliable sources, not just anything you might find on Google, which cannot be used since they are unreliable. I wasn't saying there wasn't an uproar, just that there's nothing at this time that can be cited reliably to prove it.--十八 21:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, the "Eight" in Endless Eight refers not to an amount of repetitions, but the time that is being repeated, the last weeks of August. The Japanese name for August is literally "Month Eight" (8月). If anything a name like "Endless August" may look more natural to an English native. Akata (talk) 05:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

But despite that the katakana is still エイト, so I don't think we should translate it as anything but eight. If the author really wanted to, he would have named it エンドレスハチガツ or the like.--.十八 08:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, as it is it's nothing but "Eight", and even if it was stated later in the episodes, that would be something for the viewer to find out as they watched, the episode name wouldn't change. Akata (talk) 21:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion "Eight" refers to infinity symbol (∞) which looks like turned 8. This sign is also shown in OP video. ОйЛ (OiL) (talk) 05:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, in your opinion. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Though idiom "endless eight" (бесконечная восьмёрка) is quite common in Russian language to describe infinity symbol, there are no any reliable sources about the roots of the episode name and its connection to this idiom. But if such information will apear in undependent sources I wonder which ones can be defined as reliable. Does English Wikipedia have guidelines where kinds of reliable sources for anime and manga articles are defined? ОйЛ (OiL) (talk) 05:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I can tell you before I send you anywhere that forums, blogs, and fansites are generally unreliable, but if you think you really have something, you can ask at WP:RS/N (for general WP:RS compliance) or WT:ANIME (for use on anime/manga pages). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(In addition) Unless stated by the creators themselves, any connection or hint of the numeral 8 indictating a relation to the infinity symbol is mere speculation. キュウ (KyuuA4) 21:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, The title text of episode 17 (which is the 6th episode in the EE arc) has the title text in an infinity shape.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.164 (talk • contribs)

"Endless" Eight has ended, but it's impossible to look like anything but ignorant of Haruhi if you don't know at least something about it. Given that someone should be able to pick up at least the basics of a topic from Wikipedia, I think a section on it would be a very good idea. -moritheil^Talk 08:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. 10 seconds on Google and you find this; http://www.japanator.com/yamakan-didn-t-like-endless-eight-either-offers-apology-10607.phtml http://www.bostonbastardbrigade.com/2009/08/aya-hirano-apologizes-for-endless-eight/ and in retrospect, it did a lot to diminish the popularity of the anime. The Aya Hirano scandals played into it as well, but what was what, a year later? Also, that uproar was mostly limited to Japanese otaku, not so much the casual viewers and western audiences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaysow (talk • contribs) 22:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Preferred translation

Does anyone else think we should use the novel's translated terms except in contexts strictly relating to the anime (e.g. "Data Overmind" versus "Data Integration Thought Entity")? (I've never seen the dubbed anime, so I personally have no idea whether terminology is consistent between Funimation's and Little, Brown's translations.)—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe the Manual of Style states we should go with the terms used in the translation of the original work (in this case, the novels) while acknowledging the other translations, should some exist. Doceirias (talk) 17:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Nyorōn Churuya-san episodes

Just wondering, can someone take the time to create List of Nyorōn Churuya-san episodes? Its counterpart, The Melancholy of Haruhi-chan Suzumiya, already has its own episode list. BlazerKnight (talk) 23:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Data Overmind?

I thought Nagato's boss was the Data Integrated Entity or something along those lines. What there a change in the translation? Evilgidgit (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Look two discussions up; I'm guessing it was changed to match the translation in the novels, per the Manual of Style. Doceirias (talk) 00:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Review(s)

• ANN The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya novel
• ANN season 2 DVD
• Mania.com Season 2 complete DVD
• Mania.com manga vol. 6
• Mania.com novel vol. 4
• Otaku USA anime season 2
• CBB manga vol. 7-8

--KrebMarkt (talk) 13:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The use of "Vanishment"

This seems to be an outdated translation by various fansubbers that continues to this day. It seems redundant as 消失 has been translated to English as "Disappearance" not only by the English license holder but by the original Japanese company as Disappearance. The film it self had "The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya" as it's title in the original Japanese release as shown in this link http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2161/thedisappearance.jpg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.140.130 (talk) 19:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering this myself, I have gone ahead and updated the main article and List of Haruhi Suzumiya chapters to reflect this as I think we have enough official sources on this one. See- The English publisher's page: Yen Press, the English release of the novel this stems from: Little Brown Book Group and the English release of the film adaptation as mentioned above: Bandai Entertainment USA. - dasime (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

TENSE

There a a few instances where past dates are referred to in present or future tense. Some minor cleaning should be done to bring it all up to date. —unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.72.180.226 (talk) 06:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

SOS?

It sure would be nice if this article mentioned what the hell SOS and ASOS stands for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.255.8.230 (talk) 08:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

SOS is short for 「世界を大いに盛り上げるための涼宮ハルヒの団」or roughly "Suzumiya Haruhi's BRING EXCITEMENT TO THE WORLD Band" ... a later rendition has it as 「生徒社会を応援する世界造りのための奉仕団体」which is roughly "A Charitable Organization for the Creation of a World which Supports Student Society" ... both are approximate translations. The SOS is an acronym formed from three of the kanji within those long names. The Japanese Wikipedia article is clear on this. Jun Kayama (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)