Talk:Trap–bath split

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Broad-a in New England

I find this claim particularly troubling:

The main exceptions are parts of New England (see Boston accent), where the broad sound can be used in some of the same words as in southern England, such as aunt, ask, bath etc

Is there any evidence that the broad-a exists in natural dialects of New England in words like "ask" and "bath"? It is very contrary to the general knowledge of locals of the area, and such should be deleted if unsourced. 38.32.32.42 (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Listen to Richard Trethewey say "bathroom" in this 1985 episode of This Old House (around 9'55"). He clearly uses the broad a. The same broad a can be heard occasionally from Roger Cook in other episodes. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Loose Ends

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/la-de-da - affected gentility. Also Lardy-dardy, from about 1830.
Londoners don't turn cat into cart, or fat into fart; but they do turn pass into parse. Ergo this style was originated by people who had not studied Grammar.
The ubiquitous drawled A sound is now also used in words not even containing A. e.g. Showers pronounced Sharze, on Radio 3, Also Flowers -> Flarze.

78.144.82.214 (talk) 00:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to see a history of this split. Cooke (talk) 14:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]