Talk:Trojan War in literature and the arts

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Curses, beaten to the punch of adding the Doctor Who cite! ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cyclades (talk • contribs) 22:13, March 12, 2006 (UTC)

If you look at my contributions, you might get a hint of why I was quick to list the Doctor Who story... :) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

move?

Movies and television are often fictional, but they're not what the word "fiction" makes me think of, still less some of the poetry that ought to be on this list. Any objection if I move to Trojan War in art or Trojan War in art and literature? --Akhilleus (talk) 05:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No objections, but poetry about god & goddess intervening in a war is certainly fiction.

Duggy 1138 01:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Fiction" generally means prose, not poetry, at least when used to describe genres of literature. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Generally. Usually. Not always, and not exclusively.

Duggy 1138 06:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Related category Category:Trojan War literature

I've been expanding Category:Trojan War literature. As all the Epic Cycle, including the Nostoi and Telegony, were included, I've opted for a broad interpretation on ancient literature and have included material on the aftermath including, for example, Iphigenia in Tauris. I'm about to start a thread over there on whether this is appropriate. The other issue is that here we've included modern material, whilst there the focus is on ancient and medieval. So again you're invited to discuss the scope over there.--Peter cohen (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Art

We need to set up a section on the Trojan War in the fine arts. I suggest we initially try and idetify objects with their own articles--Peter cohen (talk) 10:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

move

Are we unconcerned about any difference between "popular culture" and "high culture"? Opera, for instance, is usually considered an art form very much on the high culture spectrum of A&E, not "popular" in the sense in which TV shows and graphic novels are. Cynwolfe (talk) 00:51, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The new title of this article is unsatisfactory, but it follows a pattern seen in many other titles--see [1]. The previous title (which I was responsible for) of Trojan War in art and literature is better because it allows for the inclusion of high, low, and middle-brow culture. Judging from the edit summary [2] it seems that the editor who moved the page has an unduly restrictive definition of "art", since painting, sculpture, writing, music, opera, dance, sketch comedy, movies, etc. etc. etc. are all art.

Really we should just be able to call it Nachleben of the Trojan War but that would never fly. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Yes, the article is a complete list of artworks, of every level and kind, inspired by the war of Troy. I think the only thing to change is the title, since it would better without "popular": Trojan war in culture. Alternatively: Trojan war in art. Lele giannoni (talk) 22:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it

The current title, "Trojan War in popular culture" is a pretty inaccurate name. The article clearly lists classics which are high culture

Some other people have noted this also. Here're some suggestions from threads above:

Trojan War in popular culture (the current title)
Trojan War in culture
Trojan War in fiction
Trojan War in art
Trojan War in art and literature (this was the title at one time I think)

For my part, I'd say that "art" can mean a lot of things... film, music, theater, and literature too if you push it -- but by hoi polloi also it's oten taken to mean painting and sculpture specifically. So we want to be careful here. So, I'm going to suggest:

Trojan war in literature and the arts
Depictions of the Trojan War

"Depictions of the Trojan War" is good, except that some of these works don't really depict the war but just riff on it, like Doctor Faustus (1967 film) and Iphigenia (film), I guess.

So, then "Trojan war in literature and the arts". I just think it's slightly clearer that it's all-inclusive then is "Trojan War in art and literature". So I moved the page to "Trojan war in literature and the arts". By all means move it back if you like, and we can have a proper WP:RM discussion. Herostratus (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]