Talk:2014 Turkish presidential election

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Name change to Turkish presidential election, 2014[edit]

The elections are postponed to 2014. HeadlessMaster (talk) 21:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apparetly,  Done(Lihaas (talk) 04:03, 9 January 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

Links/todo[edit]

>> Turkey arrests ministers' sons over graft + need to mention protests last summer + >> Turkish police chiefs sacked amid graft raids>> Turkish probe marks AKP-Gulen power struggle>> Turkish ministers resign over fraud probe>> Turkish PM reshuffles cabinet amid scandal >> Unraveling Turkey's deep state(Lihaas (talk) 19:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC)).[reply]

Polls[edit]

first poll: https://twitter.com/geziciarastirma/status/48532540163673702481.58.144.30 (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should add opinion polls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.43.90.170 (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish presidents have/can have no party[edit]

Please remove the party names in the Infobox. When I do, the pictures of the candidates are gone too. --Mttll (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They do have party affiliations though. Only when they assume the office of the President do they have to leave their political party. -- Kndimov (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well at the moment Erdogan didn't resign from his party after he's been elected. This is against the constitutional law. Also there is no "AK Party" in Turkey, this denomination is not official. It's official abbreviation is AKP. You can't select some words to abbreviate and leave others. Also "AK Parti" is a slogan that ruling party uses as propaganda. "AK Parti" means "white party" in Turkish and they use it as if it means "pure/clean party". So please remove "AK Party" and write the original abbreviation "AKP" or write the English translation of the party which is "Justice and Development Party".Fotte (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of opinion polls[edit]

Guys, you forgot Andy-Ar!

Look at this: http://www.cnnturk.com/haber/turkiye/cumhurbaskanligi-secimlerinde-en-iyi-tahmini-yapan-anket-sirketi-andy-ar

Can someone update the list please?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.26.134 (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, apparently there were two Andy-Ar polls that we forgot (one on 17 July, this one was on 8 August). I added them both T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 09:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu's colour[edit]

How come on the infobox his color is red, yet on the picture underneath his colour is blue? Not that this really matters that much I guess, but shouldn't there be some consistency, like with the other two candidates? -- Kndimov (talk) 00:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True, but the colour of almost every single party which supported İhsanoğlu is red, for example the CHP, MHP, BBP, BTP, DP, DYP. The only blue ones to my knowledge are the LDP and DSP, and only the LDP is dark blue like the map. I've asked the uploader of the map whether it is possible to change the provinces won by İhsanoğlu to red, because dark blue has virtually no significance to either İhsanoğlu or his campaign. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 09:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. -- Kndimov (talk) 22:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Logos of supporter parties being red, cannot determine the color of Ihsanoğlu. There is no such requirement or rule. Official news agency of Turkey and other news sources have used the color blue. Anadolu Agency, Ntvmsnbc, Türkiye Gazetesi.. Maurice Flesier (talk) 11:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you insist on making İhsanoğlu's colour blue simply because of what the Anatolian Agency says, then why don't you make Erdoğan red and Demirtaş light yellow like they do? You will find that many more news agencies use the colour red for İhsanoğlu rather than blue (I can give you examples if you insist). Yes, there is no such rule as to use the colours of the supporting parties, but why wouldn't we when it is far more informative rather than using an unrelated colour such as blue. You will also find that much of the article (e.g. results section) uses red for İhsanoğlu which makes using red in the map and infobox far more consistent with the entire article.T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 17:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I've already did not upload exactly the same map of Anadolu Agency. Because, I gave party colours AK party #F8991C (yellow), candidate of HDP Demirtaş #B53389 (purple). But İhsanoğlu was an independent candidate. Colors of supporter parties CHP, MHP, DP...etc. It is not a reason to be red. Blue more independent and neutral. Maurice Flesier (talk) 17:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make the colour "neutral," then you're going to need to make it light grey - the "independent" colour used on all other election pages in Wikipedia. The irrelevance of blue will only confuse people. Red, as I have stated many times, is the colour of most of the parties that supported İhsanoğlu, and is also the colour of the CHP - the party which offered him their candidacy in the first place. As such, red is the more relevant and acceptable colour and also is consistent with the entire article (since many sections of it, e.g. results, uses red to denote İhsanoğlu. Blue is therefore irrelevant and will only lead to confusion. If you wish to go for an independent colour, then please use the light grey that they use to denote independent candidates, e.g. here. If you insist on not using red, then please also update the results section to match your replacement. Can I also add that it would be a better idea to get someone else to resolve this issue rather than have an "undo" war if you still aren't convinced. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 17:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if light grey more neutral colour, why do not you do? As I said earlier, İhsanoğlu's candidancy can not compare with other candidates. He's not a party member and MP. He entered the race as an independent. CHP and the MHP's support, he does not make the party's members. So, use of red color is totally irrelevant and irrational for the map. I am having understanding your insistence and reasons on this issue. Your reaction example of WP:JDL. In the meantime, I will updated results colors. – Maurice Flesier (talk) 18:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not being an MP or party member does not mean that İhsanoğlu does not have a political affiliation. He was asked by the CHP to run as their candidate, and then received support of the MHP and 11 other parties, most of which use red. He didn't just decide to run as a candidate on his own. I am afraid that I have to relay your argument of WP:JDL back to you, since you have engaged in an edit war but still have not provided a single adequate justification for the use of the colour blue. Why blue? Why not green, light grey or black? You fail to explain the relevance of the colour blue to İhsanoğlu's campaign. I agree that İhsanoğlu cannot be denoted completely with a single colour, but my argument is that because most parties that support him use red, then red is a more relevant colour than blue. Please refrain from changing any colours anywhere on the article (results or infobox) for now until someone else resolves this dispute. I have posted a request for resolution here T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When I created the file 2014_Turkish_Presidential_Election-İhsanoğlu.PNG I used the same colours as in file 2014_Turkish_Presidential_Election.png. But red makes more sense, because both CHP and MHP (the main parties supporting İhsanoğlu) have red as their colours. I think that it could then be a good idea to change the colour from blue to red in the other file as well.Mondolkiri1 (talk) 16:42, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Selahattin Demirtaş's percentage[edit]

According to YSK, Demirtaş won 9.76% of the vote, not 9.77%. It is the case that the percentages of the three candidates add up to 99.99%, but then they are only given to two decimal places which is why they don't add up to 100.00%. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 08:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Should Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu's colour be red or blue?[edit]

No consensus This is a case of multiple options with multiple arguments made in favor and no one option coming out as clearly better supported (either by source, policy or number of Wikieditors) than any other. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:07, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should the infobox and map colour denoting Presidential candidate Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu be red or blue? (Arguments for/against in the "Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu's colour" two sections above this one). T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 23:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Blue for the map; remove other use of colour from the infobox There does not seem to be any consistent colour used for the candidates; I have found different sites use red, gold or brown for İhsanoğlu and yellow, red and blue for Erdogan. As the map seems to be fine as it is, I see no reason to change it. However, I think the colours assigned to the candidates in the infobox should probably be removed, as they don't appear to agree to anything in particular. Number 57 14:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As I said above, after my opinion was asked, and I'm now going to quote myself: "When I created the file 2014_Turkish_Presidential_Election-İhsanoğlu.PNG I used the same colours as in file 2014_Turkish_Presidential_Election.png. But red makes more sense, because both CHP and MHP (the main parties supporting İhsanoğlu) have red as their colours. I think that it could then be a good idea to change the colour from blue to red in the other file as well."Mondolkiri1 (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be grey and Erdogan should be orange. Red represents CHP mostly and blue MHP when it comes to general elections. I think we should go with grey. Denizyildirim (talk) 17:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MHP flag colour is also red: File:MHP_flag.svg . AK Party (Erdoğan) colour is yellow: File:Adalet_ve_Kalkınma_Partisi_(logo).png and HDP (Demirtaş) colour is purple and green: Dosya:Halkların_Demokratik_Partisi.jpg (Turkish Wikipedia). The only one that wouldn't be weird to change, in my opinion, would be Demirtaş colour from purple to green. Mondolkiri1 (talk) 20:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
MHP is definitely not blue. We only use blue (or green) on Wikipedia in order to differentiate it from the CHP in infoboxes. the MHP, CHP, BTP, BBP, DP, DEV Parti, TSIP, DYP, HAP and KP all use red as their primary colour. (KP uses pink). These include all the major political parties that supported Ihsanoglu that hold a considerable amount of electoral ground, such as the CHP, BBP, MHP and DP. The only parties with blue are the LDP, DSP, BAK and TURK Parti. None of these are electorally significant. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 23:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just be consistent - I cannot debate the colors and what each means to the Turkish people. What I can see from here in the United States is an easily identifiable measure. We use red or blue states to indicate Republicans or Democrats and random other colors for smaller parties and we are fairly consistent. Just use one color here for Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, and stay with it throughout the article. Preferably, use the color that the Turkish voters identify with for Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu's candidacy; that way we can be more informed while reading this here in the U.S.. Juda S. Engelmayer (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Additional info about candidate selection[edit]

References

  1. ^ "Cindoruk: Büyükerşen'i Cumhurbaşkanı Olarak Görmek İstiyoruz, Partimizin Adayı Gösterebiliriz". Haberler.com. 2010-01-25.
  2. ^ "Doğu Perinçek: Emine Ülker Tarhan cumhuriyete çok yakışacak". Ulusal Kanal. 2014-06-24.
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