Talk:Music of Minecraft

About the Nether Update

Lena Raine, the composer of Celeste, composed 4 new tracks (Rubedo, So Below, Chrysopoeia, and Pigstep) for Minecraft. I think it should be stated in the article that she did this. MarioFan129 (talk) 12:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft Dungeons

there are brand new soundtracks for the game Minecraft Dungeons, should they be added even though it's not Minecraft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minemaster1337 (talk • contribs) 18:05, June 24, 2021 (UTC)

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Map soundtracks

Should the recent additions of Gareth Coker's music be kept? I say no because they are Bedrock maps, unrelated from the game. It could also be argued WP:NOTDIRECTORY for listing everything. SWinxy (talk) 02:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@SWinxy: Wikipedia does not treat Bedrock and Java edition differently and considered for the most part the same game. WP:NOTDIRECTORY isn't a reason to remove the albums, but rather look for sources to provide more contextual information. I recommend looking for sources to verify them and write the information in the article. Look at other articles such as Music of Final Fantasy VII, and Music of the Final Fantasy VII series.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, not NOTDIRECTORY, but these soundtracks aren't in the game itself. They're downloadable maps from the marketplace, right? SWinxy (talk) 20:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@SWinxy: They are soundtracks for content that is technically part of the game, whether DLC or not. Wikipedia doesnt make that distinction.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

To both parts of your reply, how so? SWinxy (talk) 17:47, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what more to clarify. The soundtracks listed are officially part of Minecraft. Even if they're not reflecting music that is part of the main game.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I have no clue how they are a "part of the game". Are they DLC, or are they not? SWinxy (talk) 22:30, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The soundtracks are based on DLC. and DLC is part of the game. Therefore the album information should remain in the article.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 22:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree with all of your points here. Furthermore, almost all of the Gareth Coker music which I added and plan to add (there is plenty more which I haven't gotten a chance to add yet) is not exclusively from/in the Bedrock edition of the game, but originated in the Legacy Console Editions of Minecraft. Also, many of these soundtracks have been officially released with Minecraft branding. Edit: I forgot to add that Bedrock is still Minecraft... Not sure why some people think it's an entirely different game, but it is the same game, albeit with a few fairly small differences.SapphirosGLR (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Non-free Content usage

@SapphirosGLR: Wikipedia discourages an unnecessary amount of non-free images to illustrate the article's topic. The rationale for each image, although properly filled in, does not indicate that it meets the requirements. Individual cover art is minimal use if that was the subject of the article. But since you're trying to justify multiple non-free images for a single article, there's going to be discernment. The article uses 11 non-free images which is unheard of for any quality article. For examples of quality music articles that reduce the number of non-free content, you can see Music of Kingdom Hearts, Music of the Final Fantasy VII series, Music of the Drakengard series.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Album covers in discographies are not allowed (WP:NFC#UUI). This page is not exactly a discography, but it is essentially the same; they should not be on this page. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:09, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Just dropping in to concur with BPP. Wikipedia's standards for non-free content are more strict than fair use. Visual identification is not sufficient for a list article like this, especially if the cover art is not explicitly discussed in sources as the focus of artistic critique. For a music article, I think it's far more relevant and helpful to the reader to spend your fair use "allowance" on a music sample instead (this is not how fair use actually works; it's just a metaphor). Axem Titanium (talk) 21:49, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Remove the images per WP:NFC#UUI #2, as Pbrks said. casualdejekyll 15:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

"Terrible sound engine"

Is the 2017 quote about the terrible sound engine still relevant given that Minecraft revamped its sound engine in 1.18? User1042 (talk) 13:16, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Splitting albums Alpha and Beta

Both albums meet the criteria for WP:NALBUM. Multiple non-trivial sources have covered it, and they have both charted in the US. Thoughts? SWinxy (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I personally don't think its a good idea just yet. Although articles can meet the notability criteria, I always think its better to make sure we can produce a quality article first, before splitting.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 23:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I definitely agree there should be one for Volume Alpha. I'm happy to create a draft article if there isn't already one? Marcostev88 (talk) 06:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, just to update I performed a split for Volume Alpha, new article can be found here → Minecraft – Volume Alpha . Updated split suggestion on this page. Feel free to change anything. Marcostev88 (talk) 07:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Minecraft – Volume Beta into Music of Minecraft

I hate to make this kind of proposal, but I'm not sure of Volume Beta meets WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG on its own. The fact Beta gets far less attention than Volume Alpha is pretty common knowledge for those with knowledge on the games soundtrack, and this stretches to the coverage of it as well. The only significant coverage I'm able to find of this album is review from Original Sound Version, while Digital Trends isn't really WP:SIGCOV and HS Insider may not be reliable per this discussion. Compare this with what Volume Alpha had (3 graded reviews, some academic sourcing, another sorta review, and interviews), and its apparent this one has extremely weak sourcing. And when I was going through all of the sourcing for Alpha, I tried to find some for Beta as well, and came back with nothing. All that Beta has going for it is that one review and when it charted a few times, but even then it charted way less than Alpha. So, as much as I don't want to say it, I don't think Volume Beta is independently notable and I think that it should be merged into Music of Minecraft. Would love to be proven wrong, though. λ NegativeMP1 20:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I can't deny the album lacks great sources, but I would still argue Beta is popular enough to be a separate article. It charted in several international charts (this feat shouldn't be disparaged just because Alpha charted more), it has been reissued multiple times by the label, gets millions of streams and a decent amount of daily page views. But what can I say, I'm totally biased as I was the one to split Beta out of Music of Minecraft in the first place. It's a very popular album in the community, but I understand it might not be notable enough in the mainstream. Marcostev8 (talk) 01:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah it's a tough pill to swallow for me as well, but I really don't think it's able to stand on its own even with its charting and streams, since what really matters is reliable sources. I don't really want to merge it, but sometimes its necessary. λ NegativeMP1 04:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, and I added a lot of recent chart numbers to volume alpha and a few to beta on their own articles. I haven't updated the charts on the Music of Minecraft article. That should be taken care of before or by a merger.

With love, BarntToust (talk) 16:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I specified a few more sources, and it turns out that a great amount of coverage that applies to Alpha also applies in tandem to Beta. Also, coverage of specific songs (and a remix of one) are now present in the prose. More notability has been established, but perhaps it could be enough? BarntToust (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

guys, I am against it, the size of the articles will collectively exceed the norm described in Wikipedia:Article size. Osnowa (talk) 18:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep – While I do agree that the album doesn't have as much sources as Volume Alpha does, I can argue it is good enough to be a seperate article. As Marcostev8 said above, it has been reissued physically 2 times by Ghostly, and good enough page views. — VAUGHAN J. (t · c) 10:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  None of those things contribute to the general notability guidelines. λ NegativeMP1 16:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  Okay, but the fact that more info detailing the album has been added does contribute the the general notability guidelines. BarntToust (talk) 20:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  None of the info you have added helps establish Volume Beta as an independently notable album separate from the Minecraft soundtrack itself. Volume Alpha has separate critic reviews that discusses it as a standalone ambient album and part of the game, enough for it to pass notability. Volume Beta has none of this, and if you want me to give you a source analysis:

  • NME, GR+, and VG247 do not even mention Volume Beta by name. DigitalTrends discusses it in one sentence.
  • HS Insider is not a reliable source, as mentioned earlier.
  • Original Sound Review is SIGCOV, so there's one.
  • Michigan Daily discusses one track and states the albums name once.
  • If I recall correctly, Four Ways of Hearing Video Game Music was exclusively about Volume Alpha music or Minecraft music as a whole, not specifically Volume Beta. Or maybe I'm getting it confused for something else.
  • GameRant can't contribute to notability per WP:VG/S.

  The article still lacks significant coverage. There needs to be more discussion about the album itself separate from the broader concept of the Minecraft soundtrack, which is something that Volume Alpha has with several critic reviews about it specifically. λ NegativeMP1 21:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge Does not appear to be notable enough for a standalone article. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)