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Feedback from New Page Review process

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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: An interesting, well-written article..

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk18:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 11 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • ALT4: ... that Zina P. Young Card made her own flannel to wallpaper the cabin she lived in while settling Cardston, Alberta, Canada, prompting locals to call it the "Flannel Palace"? Source: "This cabin, now a museum, still stands on Cardston’s Main Street. Zina made heroic efforts in creating a genteel home in such rough conditions. Her daughter, Zina Card Brown, describes her achievement as the interior appeared during the late 1880s. "[...] She had all the walls and ceilings covered with unbleached muslin. This she in turn covered with colored Canton flannel. She sewed the canton flannel herself with the soft silky nap running down. It was kept looking like satin with frequent stroking with a new broom which was kept for this purpose. The hundreds of yards of “Canton” were all stitched on the old treadle sewing machine." Local residents called the cabin “Aunt Zina’s Canton Flannel Palace.” " Four Zinas, Chapter 10 Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 23:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article is new enough and long enough. I like the original hook, ALT2 and ALT4, the other two hooks are less interesting. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here for this new contributor. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble identifying a good hook. ALTs 0 and 2 make her sound like any woman with a political agenda. ALT0 does not have an inline cite, and footnote 2, which uses the term "women's rights", seems to be referring back to the term "women's suffrage" in its previous sentence. ALT4 might be better if the article said more from the source about the "rough" locale the home was located in. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, I edited ALT0 and added an inline citation in the article pertaining to it. I'll look for more sources for ALT4 and the article. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 21:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, your alt looks better. Please note that I restored the thread and struck the hook that was replaced, so reviewers and prep builders will be able to follow the discussion. We need a review for ALT0a. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Would you know if Orson Card is a descendant of Zina? Both have similar physical resemblances, same surname, and are both Mormon. 204.186.241.170 (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, she is his great-grandmother! Her son Orson Rega Card (who he was named after) was his grandfather. I'll find a good source and put it on her page, and I already linked to her on his. Thank you! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Zina Young Card Brown

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Cstickel(byu) (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Zina P. Young Card/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aussie Article Writer (talk · contribs) 00:12, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Excellent prose, spelling and grammar are correct, no words to watch.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. The lead section is excellent, as is the article structure. However, it would be best to incorporate the references in the lead into the body of the article. See WP:CITELEAD.
The suggested changes to the lead have been done, I shifted the opinion of Maureen Ursenbach Beecher to the legacy section. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Please note that I assume that sources I can't access are correct, however I feel it only fair that I note that I haven't been able to verify them.
  • Lead: the sources I can read checkout, can't read the JSTOR hosted article. Could I ask what historian was being referenced in "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies"?
  1. Early life: the sources I can read definitely checkout, I added the page number for the source that shows she acted at the Salt Lake Theatre.
  2. Plural marriage: all sources I can read check out
  3. Career and activism:
    • Could you give me the reference for: "She was among the first Utah women to advocate for women's suffrage. She and Emmeline B. Wells traveled to Washington, D.C. and around the eastern United States, speaking of and advocating for women's suffrage and their own religious beliefs, especially polygamy."
    • I have verified all other sources I can read, and also switched one source to use archive.org which has the full work available online
  4. LDS Church service: verified all sources I can read
  5. Personal life:
    • I hate to be a stick-in-the-mud, but could you clarify what parts of the source support "Through her writing it is apparent that she felt plural marriage a respectable and divinely-inspired institution, and she saw defending it as the duty of women"? It's a huge source and it would be nice to know what parts you are referring to. (this is not a criticism, I just want to verify the statement - which I'm sure is correct!)
    • All the other references I can read check out
    1. Zina Young Card Brown:
      • Can you provide a refernence for "but fled England at the onset of World War II"?
      • Other than the above, all references check out. I chased down the pages and added them to the references in this section.
  6. Legacy:
2c. it contains no original research. I was concerned initially about the sentence "Throughout her life, Card was an academic, political, and spiritual leader", but actually it is then fully supported by the subsequent material in the paragraph. So, I can see no original research.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. I am not a subject matter expert, but it does seem to cover Card's life fairly extensively. However:
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
7. Overall assessment.

Discussion

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1b.I took the inline citations out of the lead. (All of that information is cited in the article.) But I left in the source for the direct quote, and found the name of the historian who called her "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies" (and wikilinked to her).
2b.I added the references you requested (for "Career and activism," "Personal life," and "Legacy") and corrected the prose in some areas.
3a.I think my sentence about her being dean of two colleges was referring to her being dean of two schools within Brigham Young Academy, but I couldn't find a source about that, so I changed that prose.
Let me know what else needs to be done, and thank you so much for your review and work on the article! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I moved one sentence from the lead to the legacy section, otherwise well done on a fine article. All issues have been corrected, this passes GA! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]