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Vovche

Vovche next to Prohres in Donetsk Oblast is certainly captured, on around 20 July - 29 July, but there is no information about it on the article. Same for Svyrydonivka, Timofiivka, Zhuravka and Lysychne. 77.219.13.96 (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same for Zalizne and New York. 77.219.13.96 (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

77.219.13.96: added Vovche and updated Zalizne. About New York, ISW still shows a large part of it controlled by Ukrainian forces so it would be too early to change it (right now its shown as contested). For Svyrydonivka, etc., those are all relatively small settlements/villages and this list is already so long as it is so ideally would be best to avoid putting them all in (I added Vovche though since I think its been reported quite a bit amongst the media (like Prohres) although other editors are free to take it out if it helps). Cheers, Dan the Animator 22:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I understand, thanks :) Pivnichne will also soon need to be added. 77.219.4.202 (talk) 18:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pivnichne already seems to be present in the list. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant added to the list at the bottom, which shows the dates and order of capture. 77.219.12.48 (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Pivdenne certainly isnt contested, its 100% captured 77.219.12.48 (talk) 11:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krasnohorivka

On the map, Krasnohorivka should be shown as mostly captured (red circle with a spinning icon in the top left, similar to Toretsk or Selydove currently).

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 11:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vyimka

Vyimka is captured according to Russian MOD: "Russia says it has captured two more settlements in east Ukraine". Reuters.

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 11:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and that's what they claim; it's not yet confirmed by any reliable source. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kursk Oblast

Kurchatov and the KNPP are missing from the territorial control list and the detailed map. They, together with Lgov and Rylsk, were seemingly the end goals for the Kursk offensive.

Further more, Belaya and Bolshoye Soldatskoye are on the list, but not on the map. Adding them would make the approximate extent of the Sudzha salient/incursion more visible.

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 13:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Toretsk urban hromada

The capture of Pivdenne is missing from the timeline. I'd suggest going with the Russian date, as there is no alternative Ukrainian date. The "confirmed capture" date is just ISW admitting it was captured, not when.
The capture of Zalizne is also missing from the timeline. I'd again suggest going with the Russian date, as there is no alternative Ukrainian date. The "confirmed capture" date is just ISW admitting it was captured, not when.
Pivnichne is claimed captured since at least 31 August 2024: "7 killed by Russian attacks as Moscow pushes ahead in Ukraine's east". AP News.

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 08:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with all 3 suggestions. Asigooo (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About Timeline of total controlled territory section - Crimea

I think it'd be better if u stated that "territory" in this part includes crimea, since crimea is seen autonomous by some people. Asigooo (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verkhniokamianske

Claimed captured by russian MoD 2 days ago Asigooo (talk) 10:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 23:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has most likely been a lie made by the local commanders, because Rybar disputed the capture.

Link to their Telegram post: https://t.me/rybar/64284

The German Focus online has been the only newspaper I know that has covered this:

"Russische Militärblogger decken Lügen auf, die viele Soldaten das Leben kosten". FOCUS online. [According to British military historian Chris Owen, the military bloggers claim that a few days ago, Russian Telegram channels reported that areas in the Siversk region were being conquered. These included the villages of Hryhorivka and Verkhnokamianske. The troops had advanced as far as Serebrianka, it said. A false report. The military blogger ‘Militärinformant’ writes: ‘The commanders have labelled conquests where there were no successes by the Russian army. Their aim was to announce victories in the media and send success stories to their superiors.’]

Zirkusradler (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to have been false, yes, but the source used (ISW) maintained that the village had been captured despite reports otherwise from milbloggers. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, because of the flag that was apparently drone-dropped.

The ISW is not very reliable, it just repeats claims from Telegram channels, but somehow it's considered a WP:RS and Telegram channels are not. Zirkusradler (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with @Zirkusradler Village is not under RF control. Asigooo (talk) 10:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New timeline additions

Greetings!

There are a bunch of villages and towns missing from the timeline:

September: Russia captured Pivdenne, Donetsk Oblast between around 30 July – 5 September 2024.; Russia captured Zalizne, Donetsk Oblast between around 19 August – 5 September 2024.

October: Russia recaptured Makiivka, Luhansk Oblast by 16 October 2024.; Russia recaptured Nevske, Luhansk Oblast on 16 October 2024.; Russia captured Zolota Nyva, Donetsk Oblast [uk] between around 8–26 October 2024.; Russia recaptured Levadne, Zaporizhzhia Oblast between around 14–27 October 2024.

Missing sources

Nevske:

claimed captured: "Russian Military Says Captured Village Near Ukaine's Pokrovsk". The Moscow Times. Russia's Defense Ministry said it captured the village of Nevske
captured: "Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 16, 2024". Institute for the Study of War. Geolocated footage published on October 16 indicates that Russian forces recently advanced in northern Nevske and suggests that widespread Russian claims that Russian forces seized the settlement are accurate.

Zolota Nyva [uk]:

claimed captured: "With Vuhledar lost and another Ukrainian stronghold in danger, Russia could take southern Donbas by year's end". Meduza. Russian troops attacked and achieved a localized breakthrough on October 8, capturing the village of Zolota Nyva
captured: "Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 26, 2024". Institute for the Study of War. Geolocated footage published on October 26 showing a Russian reinforced platoon-sized assault and another Russian reduced company-sized assault indicates that Russian forces recently advanced north of Zolota Nyva

Levadne:

claimed captured: "Russia says it's captured a southern Ukraine village in a push before winter". Euronews. Russia claimed on Monday that it captured the Ukrainian village of Levadne
captured: "Occupation of Levadne in Zaporizhzhia region. Armed Forces update". RBC-Ukraine. on October 27, DeepState reported that the Russian army has occupied the village of Levadne

Trivia

Stelmakhivka was a recapture. Please adjust this as well.

Nevske has been recently renamed to Balka Zhuravka. Since this was an in-war rename and Russia doesn't recognize Ukrainian renames, I don't think it matters.

Nevske and Zolota Nyva are also not present in the Donetsk Oblast table.

On the map, the dot for Levadne is way too big. This hamlet with one guy pre-war population should have the smallest dot possible.

Cheers. Zirkusradler (talk) 15:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these have been fixed. I can add Levadne and Zolota Nyva to the table sometime if you think it's a pressing issue, though adding a settlement with one person to the table seems a bit excessive. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 02:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

I agree, they are not important. Though Levadne is "one of the 14" and is already present in the Zaporizhzhia Oblast table and the timeline as a Ukrainian capture.

Unrelated: Could you also remove the "likely" from the recapture of Staromaiorske in the timeline? The capture has been confirmed since a while and near-captures shouldn't be in the timeline IMO anyway. Zirkusradler (talk) 11:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]