User talk:JuJube/Old Archives 2005
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SVC Chaos: Capcom vs SNK[edit]
- The only reason I revert the page is because you keep simplifying it- what's the point of taking out the tiers and the information located at the above..? We're an encyclopedia; we give as much information as possible, the tiers are there to describe the characters [game] ability and power usage as well as they're particular niche in there. As for the Mr. Karate pic, yeah, that is incorrect, as well as the violent Ken trivia. But taking out all the other infirmation is pointless, those two mistakes are all that needed to be fixed.
- Tier information is classified as POV, which is something Wikipedia strives to avoid. And even so, the information you've put in is mostly wrong. Geese and Zero are the top tier characters in competitive play and everyone answers to them. You also insist on dropping the arcade release information for some reason. To suggest it did not come out in the arcade is outright falsity. In any case, objectivity is what is required here. Danny Lilithborne 20:37, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- You misunderstand my intent of tier information- I'm not playing favorites here. And I don't disagree that Zero and Geese are at the top of the game, but its obvious that Demetri and violent ken come quite close, as well as Orochi Iori. As for the Arcade info, you got me- I didn't deny that at all...you forget I'm not the only one who's been editing the page. Hopefully we can come to an agreement.
- Tier discussion is best left to websites that deal with that kind of stuff (ie. Shoryuken.com and SNK-Capcom.com); this is an encyclopedia and objectivity is best. Danny Lilithborne 21:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- True. But stating tier information from simply a gameplay standpoint is an important fact. Characters in this category (ie. Zero) are virtually machines of apoctolyptic destruction in this game, what with the collision detection, not to mention the poor game balance. An example of the tier listing I'm doing can be found on other video game pages, such as the Soul Calibur character pages for instance. Don't even get me started on Shin Akuma.... but I suppose that's irrelevant. The point is these characters have an extreme disadvantage, so much that less-skilled players need not put as much effort in to using them.
- Like it or not, tiers will always be opinion and not fact. Drop the issue or I'll be forced to file grievance (again). Danny Lilithborne 23:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- True. But stating tier information from simply a gameplay standpoint is an important fact. Characters in this category (ie. Zero) are virtually machines of apoctolyptic destruction in this game, what with the collision detection, not to mention the poor game balance. An example of the tier listing I'm doing can be found on other video game pages, such as the Soul Calibur character pages for instance. Don't even get me started on Shin Akuma.... but I suppose that's irrelevant. The point is these characters have an extreme disadvantage, so much that less-skilled players need not put as much effort in to using them.
- Tier discussion is best left to websites that deal with that kind of stuff (ie. Shoryuken.com and SNK-Capcom.com); this is an encyclopedia and objectivity is best. Danny Lilithborne 21:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- You misunderstand my intent of tier information- I'm not playing favorites here. And I don't disagree that Zero and Geese are at the top of the game, but its obvious that Demetri and violent ken come quite close, as well as Orochi Iori. As for the Arcade info, you got me- I didn't deny that at all...you forget I'm not the only one who's been editing the page. Hopefully we can come to an agreement.
- Tier information is classified as POV, which is something Wikipedia strives to avoid. And even so, the information you've put in is mostly wrong. Geese and Zero are the top tier characters in competitive play and everyone answers to them. You also insist on dropping the arcade release information for some reason. To suggest it did not come out in the arcade is outright falsity. In any case, objectivity is what is required here. Danny Lilithborne 20:37, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Los discos de la Chakira: Donde estan los ladrones[edit]
Oye won, pa ir al track "non nobis" u cant use the gringo version of the CD. u need to get chinese version. In the back of the CD, theres a code. Go to the MTV China website, register, copy the code, wait 1-2 weeks to get an email, and you will receive the secret track.
Signed, Chakiro
- If you get it through e-mail and it doesn't come on the disk, it doesn't exactly sound like a "secret track" to me, more like a marketing bonus. Danny Lilithborne 08:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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Welcome to Esperanza![edit]
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Athena or Athena..?[edit]
- You say the Athena in SVC Chaos is not Athena Asamiya, correct? If that's so, then why does her article even say that it is her in SVC Chaos? Please verify this to me with proper consensus or proof; because if you are correct, thaen I'm going to make a character page for her. After all, it makes no sense to link a character to a page about a video game, which devolves into no info about the character herself.-MegamanZero 16:40 27,November 2005 (UTC)
- Also, you said in your edit comment "Don't bring back spam", What do you mean? I've never brought any spam...-MegamanZero 17:31 27,November 2005 (UTC)
- As far as I know, Athena Asamiya is a reincarnation of the Athena character from the video game; the Athena in SVC Chaos is obviously meant to be the original, as she has the original outfit and different moves. And the spam I'm talking about is the edit regarding a "live action" version of SVC Chaos. That was spam and you brought it back. Danny Lilithborne 22:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, I didn't know it was spam - I assumed that that section was info regarding voice actors; and I really don't appreciate the fact that you think I brought it back on purpose. Funny thing is, you say, "You're not an authority on this page", when it was blatantly obvious to me that at least I attempted to follow some sort of consensus and compromise, as I only wished to keep the link on Athena up as long as proof wasn't given. Now that I know, I can create a proper link to go there; ie., a character page. Finally, I don't understand your ridiculous accusations about "you having more experience in these games than I". How would you know how much I played a game or not? How would you know if you'd played a game more than me? Those are nonsensical statements, and quite frankly, making such assumptions is utterly unacceptable. Be serious, Danny. You don't even know me. And about the POV info - no, it is not an infringement on a neutral point of view; it is a gameplay-stated fact, and this article is not the only one who does this [1]. You can blame that tier info on SNK, who failed in constructing a proper roster of characters that were properly balanced from a gameplay viewpoint. But I digress, I don't want a edit war - if you want to settle this, I propose inquiring to an administrator about being an in-betweener for our debate; completion of the article is the only thing I have in mind, thank you. And, in the future please get some etiquette, and show that you can make responsible and respectful comments regarding another person's viewpoint on a matter; as I recall, I have always attempted to be on a friendly, work-ethic basis with you; you've yet to do the same. --MegamanZero 6:44 28,November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm upset because you blatantly ignore my points while coming across as a "nice guy". Regardless of how obvious the tiers are in SVC Chaos, it's still a matter of opinion and not fact. Highlighting certain characters as "top tier" appears to state it as a fact. Wikipedia is supposed to strive for objectivity. The Soul Calibur articles talk about the balance information in their own paragraphs, and do not appear to dictate which characters are top. If your intent is to talk about the hit detection and such, you could devote a section to the balance problems; I wouldn't have a problem with that. But not in the way you insist on having it appear. As for the live action thing, come on... I'm not buying that you didn't know it was spam. Mike Tyson?! Danny Lilithborne 04:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- Regardless of whether you believe me or not, I didn't know. I perhaps did not look at that section close enough; and I passed over it. As for the tier info, yeah, I'll make a separate section for that, and will make it closer to SC articles in formatting. Finally, as for "I'm upset because you blatantly ignore my points while coming across as a "nice guy"" thing, that's not true. I am truthfully trying to be easy to work with, and my actions and demeanor are of the utmost sincerity, whether you believe me or not. Futhurmore, I do listen to your points - I'm just trying to understand them so I can verify proper consensus and proof; I only want to compromise, as edit-warring and forming bad relationships with editors gets me nowhere, as well as makes the articles suffer. --MegamanZero 6:50 28,November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm upset because you blatantly ignore my points while coming across as a "nice guy". Regardless of how obvious the tiers are in SVC Chaos, it's still a matter of opinion and not fact. Highlighting certain characters as "top tier" appears to state it as a fact. Wikipedia is supposed to strive for objectivity. The Soul Calibur articles talk about the balance information in their own paragraphs, and do not appear to dictate which characters are top. If your intent is to talk about the hit detection and such, you could devote a section to the balance problems; I wouldn't have a problem with that. But not in the way you insist on having it appear. As for the live action thing, come on... I'm not buying that you didn't know it was spam. Mike Tyson?! Danny Lilithborne 04:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, I didn't know it was spam - I assumed that that section was info regarding voice actors; and I really don't appreciate the fact that you think I brought it back on purpose. Funny thing is, you say, "You're not an authority on this page", when it was blatantly obvious to me that at least I attempted to follow some sort of consensus and compromise, as I only wished to keep the link on Athena up as long as proof wasn't given. Now that I know, I can create a proper link to go there; ie., a character page. Finally, I don't understand your ridiculous accusations about "you having more experience in these games than I". How would you know how much I played a game or not? How would you know if you'd played a game more than me? Those are nonsensical statements, and quite frankly, making such assumptions is utterly unacceptable. Be serious, Danny. You don't even know me. And about the POV info - no, it is not an infringement on a neutral point of view; it is a gameplay-stated fact, and this article is not the only one who does this [1]. You can blame that tier info on SNK, who failed in constructing a proper roster of characters that were properly balanced from a gameplay viewpoint. But I digress, I don't want a edit war - if you want to settle this, I propose inquiring to an administrator about being an in-betweener for our debate; completion of the article is the only thing I have in mind, thank you. And, in the future please get some etiquette, and show that you can make responsible and respectful comments regarding another person's viewpoint on a matter; as I recall, I have always attempted to be on a friendly, work-ethic basis with you; you've yet to do the same. --MegamanZero 6:44 28,November 2005 (UTC)
- As far as I know, Athena Asamiya is a reincarnation of the Athena character from the video game; the Athena in SVC Chaos is obviously meant to be the original, as she has the original outfit and different moves. And the spam I'm talking about is the edit regarding a "live action" version of SVC Chaos. That was spam and you brought it back. Danny Lilithborne 22:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
The King Of Fighters[edit]
- It is biased and it isn't at the same time. Depends on the point of view and the objective that we want to achieve. I can prove you, with exact concepts and ideas why The King Of Fighters is the best fighting game of all time. But that's my opinion. However, are you aware that The King Of Fighters was stated as the best fighting game of all time by Famitsu, the most popular gaming magazine of Japan? - User:TheOrgy
- Sounds like a matter of opinion to me. Besides, silly boys, we all know Marvel vs. Capcom is the best fighting game of all time! (laughs maniacally) -MegamanZero 20:16 3,December 2005 (UTC)
- Except that MvC is a game for kids. - User:TheOrgy
- Yet another matter of opinion... and a wrong one, at that.-MegamanZero 0:04 3,December 2005 (UTC)
- Uh, dude..... you said MvC was the best fighting game, I answer in the same vein and you take my comment out of the context that your own comment had. Kids... - User:TheOrgy
- First off, common sense would tell you I said that comment as a light-spirited joke. Second, MvC is only a children's game based more on an incorrect thesis and conjecture; as well as being out of a completely different vein which was previously in our discussion; (which is sadly incorrect), and not 90% of the rest of the fighting genre populous. Now stop being a silly sausage. - MegamanZero 1:45 4,December 2005 (UTC)
- Uh, dude..... you said MvC was the best fighting game, I answer in the same vein and you take my comment out of the context that your own comment had. Kids... - User:TheOrgy
- Yet another matter of opinion... and a wrong one, at that.-MegamanZero 0:04 3,December 2005 (UTC)
- Except that MvC is a game for kids. - User:TheOrgy
- Sounds like a matter of opinion to me. Besides, silly boys, we all know Marvel vs. Capcom is the best fighting game of all time! (laughs maniacally) -MegamanZero 20:16 3,December 2005 (UTC)
- Please don't use my talk page to have your silly little arguments. Danny Lilithborne 06:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry, Danny. :) -MegamanZero 8:21 5,December 2005 (UTC)
- [ellipsis|...] TheOrgy
Image placement vote[edit]
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Thesis MK- II[edit]
Mind looking at this, and telling me what your opinion is on the talk page? Thanks! -MegamanZero 16:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Userpage[edit]
Noticed you've been personalizing your userpage as of late. I like how it's looking, especially the statistics section. I have also been upgrading my user page... what do you think of it? -MegamanZero|Talk 07:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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Happy Crimbo![edit]
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