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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_September_3
September 3
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:XY, this is an unhelpful multi-target category redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The page may be kept as there is also Category:Prejudice and discrimination but it should be converted to a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- What if we renamed Category:Prejudice in fiction to Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction to match Category:Prejudice and discrimination? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- And then move Category:Fiction about discrimination into it as a subcategory? That is reasonable enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- What if we renamed Category:Prejudice in fiction to Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction to match Category:Prejudice and discrimination? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: INVOLVED relisting to tag Category:Prejudice in fiction.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Court Treasurers
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Court Treasurers to Category:Political office-holders in Poland
- Nominator's rationale: This category name is vague, and currently has one template it is (I moved the other template to a more specific category). I think we should merge it. If not merged, it should be renamed and populated. Mason (talk) 02:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but probably to all three parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- '''Comment'''. I'd prefer to populate, but the category as exits is not ideal. On pl wiki it is divided into two categories: pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie nadworni koronni and pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie nadworni litewscy which do not have a parent cat at that level (the category as named as such would just contain those two subcategories; i.e. no other wiki has a category for court treasurers, which in pl would be podskarbiowie nadworni); see also pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie, i.e. our Category:Grand Treasurers (of Poland and Lithuania... see Podskarbi). Note the existence of populated Category:Grand Treasurers of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie wielcy litewscy). It is the only category of that type populated on en wiki (on pl they are all populated - see already mentioned pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie, - and this is likely the case for lt and few other wikis). @Marcelus - pinging you in case you'd feel like creating those cates and populating them. PS. Perhaps, since the template in this category is Crown Court Treasurers, we should just rename this category as such, and populate? The corresponding pl wiki category would be pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie nadworni koronni . PPS. We also need to discuss naming, since for example the article podskarbi prefers the format "Court Treasurers of the Crown" not "Crown Court Treasurers". Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it's very easy to populate. @Mason you shouldn't propose merging category without checking its populating potential, @Marcocapelle same goes for you. Marcelus (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcelus: in fact I had considered populating the category. However, when reading the articles about the court treasurers listed in the template I found that the articles are mostly very uninformative about what people have done or archieved in their capacity of court treasurer. If someone is capable of expanding the articles a category will become much more informative. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcelus, please don't assume I haven't tried to popualte the category. I really do try to population before consider nomination. I had also read through the linked categories, and came to the same conclusion as marcoapelle. Mason (talk) 04:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcelus: in fact I had considered populating the category. However, when reading the articles about the court treasurers listed in the template I found that the articles are mostly very uninformative about what people have done or archieved in their capacity of court treasurer. If someone is capable of expanding the articles a category will become much more informative. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it's very easy to populate. @Mason you shouldn't propose merging category without checking its populating potential, @Marcocapelle same goes for you. Marcelus (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- '''Comment'''. I'd prefer to populate, but the category as exits is not ideal. On pl wiki it is divided into two categories: pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie nadworni koronni and pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie nadworni litewscy which do not have a parent cat at that level (the category as named as such would just contain those two subcategories; i.e. no other wiki has a category for court treasurers, which in pl would be podskarbiowie nadworni); see also pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie, i.e. our Category:Grand Treasurers (of Poland and Lithuania... see Podskarbi). Note the existence of populated Category:Grand Treasurers of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie wielcy litewscy). It is the only category of that type populated on en wiki (on pl they are all populated - see already mentioned pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie, - and this is likely the case for lt and few other wikis). @Marcelus - pinging you in case you'd feel like creating those cates and populating them. PS. Perhaps, since the template in this category is Crown Court Treasurers, we should just rename this category as such, and populate? The corresponding pl wiki category would be pl:Kategoria:Podskarbiowie nadworni koronni . PPS. We also need to discuss naming, since for example the article podskarbi prefers the format "Court Treasurers of the Crown" not "Crown Court Treasurers". Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can it be populated?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 08:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)- @Marcelus is welcome to try. Mason (talk) 13:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will do that in a free time, but I think nominator should make an effort. Marcelus (talk) 14:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcelus is welcome to try. Mason (talk) 13:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: Can it be populated? I see consensus that something needs to change about this category, so if it is not populated and there is no further participation I would close this as merge.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:1990s religious comedy films
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Newly created category for 1 article. Category:Religious comedy films not subcategorized by time. Gjs238 (talk) 14:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- If we create more, is that acceptable? But it's difficult via mobile and I don't have desktop access at the moment. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Categories do not become magically populated immediately after their creation. Give the creator time to work on it. Dimadick (talk) 00:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Religious comedy films, the parent category isn't that large that it requires diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Looks like I can't win this battle. But are sub categories on the basis of country better? Kailash29792 (talk) 04:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same: the parent category isn't that large that it requires diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Three pages and one subcategory as of relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:OVERCAT, Category:Religious comedy films not subcategorized by time. Gjs238 (talk) 21:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still need more participation to achieve consensus (n.b. nom !voted twice).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Monarchs of South Africa
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Monarchs of South Africa to Category:Monarchs in South Africa
- Nominator's rationale: rename, few of these monarchs were monarch of the entirety of South Africa so "in" is a better preposition. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: We do have a lot of similar categories named "X of country", such as Category:Dukes of Spain. It feels like a convention that could do with a broader discussion. Mclay1 (talk) 00:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is likely going to lead to a trainwreck. For example Category:Princes of the Holy Roman Empire should stay "of" because the title was prince of the Holy Roman Empire even though these princes ruled in only a tiny part of the Holy Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Redirects from transliterations
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: The template is {{R from alternative transliteration}}, which implies that the target is also transliterated. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
People of Arab descent
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Libyan people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tunisian people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Austrian people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Czech people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Greek people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Irish people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Romanian people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:African people of Arab descent to Category:People of Arab descent
- Propose merging Category:Asian people of Arab descent to Category:People of Arab descent
- Propose merging Category:European people of Arab descent to Category:People of Arab descent
- Propose merging Category:Oceanian people of Arab descent to Category:People of Arab descent
- Propose merging Category:South American people of Arab descent to Category:People of Arab descent
- Nominator's rationale: People of Arab descent are those whose ancestors belong to the Arab ethnic group. This term should not be used as a catch-all category for people from Arab-majority countries, as other ethnic groups also reside in these regions (e.g., Berbers in the Maghreb, Copts in Egypt, Maronites in Lebanon, Druze and Kurds in Syria and Iraq, etc.). Additionally, I propose merging country categories, as dividing them by continent does not make sense given the small number of categories. --Sakakami (talk) 14:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Greek Muses
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Greek Muses to Category:Muses (mythology)
- Nominator's rationale: "Greek Muses" could easily be misunderstood to be "muse (person) from Greece". This is especially confusing since the category for muse (person) is simply Category:Muses.★Trekker (talk) 09:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women's baseball people
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Delete with no objection to recreate if there is more to add. Other than a defunct league, there are no other women's baseball leagues so this won't be populated any time soon. Note: these all are already in appropriate subcats so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just player is "Women", not all of people who involved in "Women's baseball" is "Women", that's why we need Category:Women's baseball people, Category:Women's baseball coaches. Category:Women's association football didn't add Category:Women in association football. HanTsî (talk) 08:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Philip K. Wrigley is not woman. HanTsî (talk) 08:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Women in baseball ≠ Category:Women's baseball people
- Category:Women in association football ≠ Category:Women's association football people
- Category:Female baseball coaches ≠ Category:Women's baseball coaches
- Category:Female association football managers ≠ Category:Women's association football managers
- HanTsî (talk) 08:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's... not the point of this Cfd. Completely unrelated, in fact. Note: this is the creator of these categories and I think they are confusing an unrelated disagreement about categorization - which was resolved after they finally explained why they were doing so - with why I nominated these categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Women's baseball is nowhere near women's association football, unfortunately. Hence why I said "no objection to recreate" if there is more to add in the future. At the moment, there's nothing to add here and the rest of the categories in Category:Women's baseball will have to make do. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Philip K. Wrigley is not woman. HanTsî (talk) 08:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just player is "Women", not all of people who involved in "Women's baseball" is "Women", that's why we need Category:Women's baseball people, Category:Women's baseball coaches. Category:Women's association football didn't add Category:Women in association football. HanTsî (talk) 08:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles with outdated impact factors
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2000 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2001 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2002 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2003 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2004 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2007 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2008 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: These tracking sub-categories of Category:Articles with outdated impact factors are meant to be temporarily (according to the documentation) and pages in these categories should be updated to the most recent impact factor. Since these are empty, that has been done. Gonnym (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scottish humanitarians
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_10#Humanitarians Mason (talk) 04:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I have added the English sibling to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Political and economic think tanks based in the European Union
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I don't this we need to make the distinction between EU and Eureope for Political and economic think tanks. There's no equivalent parent category for non-political think tanks Mason (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kyrgyz Political Organisations
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category created by a new wikipedia editor. Usually, I'd just make a redirect, but this category is different enough that I'd rather merge. Mason (talk) 03:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move article Kyrk Choro to Category:Political organisations based in Kyrgyzstan, then delete Category:Kyrgyz Political Organisations. The other articles are already in Category:Political parties in Kyrgyzstan. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:17th-century mayors of places in Pennsylvania
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The current lone member might be the only Pennsylvania mayor in the 17th-century. Humphrey Morrey Mason (talk) 03:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of blood donation in the United Kingdom
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. I don't think we need to diffuse History of blood donation by country, given that the History of blood donation only contains this category Mason (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Split / merge whatever we're calling it. But we don't need this intersection category. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)